370z vs 911 ZO6 S4!!!

JoeD · 08-17-2009, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by grahfz

Go drive an e39 m5 and tell me it's not a sports car.

I have. I will tell you that it's not a sports-car. If you think so, then your definition of a "sports-car" needs revision.

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Originally Posted by grahfz

Or that it's not one of the best cars ever built.

I wouldn't quite go that far, but yes...it is a great car. The entire E39 run was a huge success.

grahfz · 08-17-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeD

I have. I will tell you that it's not a sports-car. If you think so, then your definition of a "sports-car" needs revision.

Oh, you're right. Sports cars can survive more than a few laps around a real track. The e39 was a blast around road atlanta.

bboypuertoroc · 08-17-2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeD

I have. I will tell you that it's not a sports-car. If you think so, then your definition of a "sports-car" needs revision.

What's your definition of a sports car?

JoeD · 08-17-2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bboypuertoroc

What's your definition of a sports car?

-Front-engine/rear-drive (although there are few MR and RR exceptions)
-2-seater
-Standard transmission
-Purpose-built with balanced performance and/or driving-dynamics being the top priority

grahfz · 08-17-2009, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeD

-Front-engine/rear-drive (although there are few MR and RR exceptions)
-2-seater
-Standard transmission
-Purpose-built with balanced performance and/or driving-dynamics being the top priority

With the exception of the 2 seater part, sounds like an M5 to me.

JoeD · 08-17-2009, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by grahfz

With the exception of the 2 seater part, sounds like an M5 to me.

The E39 was a purpose-built chassis? Wow...that's news to me. I didn't know a mid-'90s 528i was a sports-car. Next time you see a clueless soccer-mom driving one, say "Hey! Nice sports-car!"

The M5 is a performance luxury-sedan. Of course, how a car is classified and what defines a "sports-car" is a never-ending discussion due to its highly subjective nature. Thankfully, the traits I cited above make for the most widely accepted guidelines.

If an M5 is a sports-car, then so is a 300C SRT-8 with a manual swapped in. Or a G8. Or a Cayenne GTS.

Asheth · 08-17-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeD

The E39 was a purpose-built chassis? Wow...that's news to me. I didn't know a mid-'90s 528i was a sports-car. Next time you see a clueless soccer-mom driving one, say "Hey! Nice sports-car!"

The M5 is a performance luxury-sedan. Of course, how a car is classified and what defines a "sports-car" is a never-ending discussion due to its highly subjective nature. Thankfully, the traits I cited above make for the most widely accepted guidelines.

If an M5 is a sports-car, then so is a 300C SRT-8 with a manual swapped in. Or a G8. Or a Cayenne GTS.

If I am not mistaken anytime you M-package any BMW you always get performance boosting additions to include suspension. 300C SRT-8 is what just a HP boost and some cool paint jobs and decals. along with the G8-GXP

grahfz · 08-17-2009, 09:25 PM

-Purpose-built with balanced performance and/or driving-dynamics being the top priority

JoeD · 08-17-2009, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Asheth

If I am not mistaken anytime you M-package any BMW you always get performance boosting additions to include suspension. 300C SRT-8 is what just a HP boost and some cool paint jobs and decals. along with the G8-GXP

I would say a SRT treatment brings the same level of upgrades as M for BMW. New engine, brakes, suspension, body-work, wheels/tires, interior, etc.

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Originally Posted by grahfz

-Purpose-built with balanced performance and/or driving-dynamics being the top priority

Actually, what you should have made bold was the top priority part.

bboypuertoroc · 08-19-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeD

-Front-engine/rear-drive (although there are few MR and RR exceptions)
-2-seater
-Standard transmission
-Purpose-built with balanced performance and/or driving-dynamics being the top priority

Here's the actual dictionary definition...

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Main Entry: sports car
Function: noun
Date: 1928
: a low small usually 2-passenger automobile designed for quick response, easy maneuverability, and high-speed driving

... but there's a saying that best describes the definition of sports car:

"Ask 5 different people the definition of sports car and you'll get 5 different answers"

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