Axles, how likely am I to break them?

Spooler · 02-18-2022, 03:08 PM

If you really want to run at the drag strip, I would go straight to a slipper clutch that you can tune with weights on the pressure plate. I am not sure of anyone who makes one. Z-Speed may be able to do it. That is what all the fast stick shift cars run on the drag strip.

Spooler · 02-18-2022, 03:11 PM

The drag strip is not my thang. I do enjoy watching it though and keep up with what is going on.

husam2012 · 02-18-2022, 03:21 PM

: rofl2:

:r ofl2:

sirnixalot · 02-18-2022, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

As far as input shafts. Well that list is getting long. Let's see. Mr. Squeeze did it on the streets. SOHO, a 900+whp car that MA- Motorsports broke 2 input shafts, and a couple of more that I don't remember the details of. I am not sure how many transmission SOHO has broken trying to get them to live at the drag strip. Input shaft, 3rd gears out the wazo, and first gear.

Yeah I remember seeing a few of these ******** the bed with people at or near your tier of power. Funny how popular this transmission is for swaps but no one seems to be developing parts for it.

I'm not trying to get THAT competitive in regards to the slipper clutch etc. I will run the Magnus slipper on the OS Giken twin plate I have. I guess I should have asked my question in a different way. I am not interested in investing another 10k in drive train parts, I have enough engine to break ****, I want to stay under the threshold and enjoy the car at that level.

Appreciate the links/examples so far I missed a few of those in my searching

Spooler · 02-18-2022, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirnixalot

Yeah I remember seeing a few of these ******** the bed with people at or near your tier of power. Funny how popular this transmission is for swaps but no one seems to be developing parts for it.

I'm not trying to get THAT competitive in regards to the slipper clutch etc. I will run the Magnus slipper on the OS Giken twin plate I have. I guess I should have asked my question in a different way. I am not interested in investing another 10k in drive train parts, I have enough engine to break ****, I want to stay under the threshold and enjoy the car at that level.

Appreciate the links/examples so far I missed a few of those in my searching

It's all good. Justin ran a 9.96 on stock everything. If you are careful with the launch and don't shock the drive train you may be able to get away with it for a while. My clutch is totally different than everyone else runs. That may be the reason my trans has lasted as long as it has. I even have the stock driveshaft.

Rusty · 02-18-2022, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spooler

As far as input shafts. Well that list is getting long. Let's see. Mr. Squeeze did it on the streets. SOHO, a 900+whp car that MA-Motorsports built broke 2 input shafts, and a couple of more that I don't remember the details of. I am not sure how many transmission SOHO has broken trying to get them to live at the drag strip. Input shaft, 3rd gears out the wazo, and first gear.

Marky that lives about an hour north from me broke the input shaft on the street. He has a FI twin turbo stage 2. Making about 600 ft lbs. Said he was in 5th. Romped down on the loud pedal at about 2000 rpm. Got to about 6000 rpm. Hit a bump and the rear tires caught some air time. When the tires came back down a got traction. It snapped the input shaft. He also has twisted the input shaft on the 2nd tranny.

Spooler · 02-18-2022, 03:40 PM

At least you know what your up against and not flying blind so if something happens it won't be a surprised.

Spooler · 02-18-2022, 03:59 PM

I forgot to mention. Do not flat foot shift. It will kill the trans. 3rd gear mostly and the input shaft. Shewantsthezeee guy has killed several trans doing that. That is also how Mr. Squeeze broke his input shaft.

SeeThruHead · 02-18-2022, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spooler

I forgot to mention. Do not flat foot shift. It will kill the trans. 3rd gear mostly and the input shaft. Shewantsthezeee guy has killed several trans doing that. That is also how Mr. Squeeze broke his input shaft.

He's such a moron

Spooler · 02-18-2022, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SeeThruHead

He's such a moron

The real carnage has yet to begin. Once his new motor and turbo are done the real fun for him will start. Let's see if he can survive it without going broke.

Elmo370z · 02-18-2022, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirnixalot

Yeah I remember seeing a few of these ******** the bed with people at or near your tier of power. Funny how popular this transmission is for swaps but no one seems to be developing parts for it.

I'm not trying to get THAT competitive in regards to the slipper clutch etc. I will run the Magnus slipper on the OS Giken twin plate I have. I guess I should have asked my question in a different way. I am not interested in investing another 10k in drive train parts, I have enough engine to break ****, I want to stay under the threshold and enjoy the car at that level.

Appreciate the links/examples so far I missed a few of those in my searching

Just accept what you have. You’re not ready and willing to do what’s necessary or just buy a mustang, corvette, camaro, Honda of sort. Takes about half the amount of money to run fast 1320 times and way more aftermarket knowledge on what works

sirnixalot · 02-18-2022, 07:09 PM

I don’t want peace! I want problems! Always!

I am not trying to have my cake and eat it too. I just want to get an idea of where I need to set my limits.

Stock long block is good for x, it costs way to ******* much to make another 200whp and it takes a magnitude more to make anything over that reliably. We have the conversation about engines all the time and it’s fairly common knowledge at this point. I am just trying to figure out that situation axle wise.

I have ALWAYS been a Nissan guy since I had a GTi-R 18 years ago, Nissan has its faults but at this point it’s a shitty marriage and I will not go anywhere else. I stick to the evil I know.

Don’t want you guys to think I am expecting to be spoon fed either, just not a lot of Zs drag racing much less the owners sharing negative results. Without saying, one mans google-fu is not good enough so let’s pool the information together.

“If you wanna run 9s yours gonna break xyz so stay in this lane unless you have the cupcakezxpress (never leave home without it) to race at that level”. I think we have achieved that so far

Spooler · 02-18-2022, 07:19 PM

I have shared with you what I know will break. At what point, I can't say. Folks have broken stuff all across the board. Now you know what breaks. That's the best I can do.

DrBacon · 02-18-2022, 07:25 PM

I would say it comes down to how committed you are, theoretically you could do a rear end conversion and swap out the trans with something that can take the abuse, but you'd be talking huge money, but the benefit is you wouldn't be breaking ****.

sirnixalot · 02-18-2022, 07:39 PM

Thank you for sharing, I definitely value the input and data and discussion.

As far as being committed that is what I am trying to responsibly gauge. I have no shame in saying Certain things are above my pay grade as it were.

At the end of the day I’m going to go out there on 28x10.5 bias ply slicks and skinnies up front and give it hell. If it survives I’ll let you know, if I leave a trail of parts, I will also let you know.

02-18-2022, 03:21 PM	#18 (permalink)
husam2012 Track Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Michigan Posts: 552 Drives: 370Z Nismo Rep Power: 9470	: rofl2::r ofl2: __________________ Creator of the GTR TT Conversion Kit, NA Record Holder (401WHP) Ecutek Master Tuner (VQ37, VR30, VR38, B58, S55, S58) BTWTuning

02-18-2022, 03:59 PM	#23 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 14,061 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684393	I forgot to mention. Do not flat foot shift. It will kill the trans. 3rd gear mostly and the input shaft. Shewantsthezeee guy has killed several trans doing that. That is also how Mr. Squeeze broke his input shaft. Last edited by Spooler; 02-18-2022 at 04:02 PM.

02-18-2022, 07:09 PM	#27 (permalink)
sirnixalot Track Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Cayman Islands Posts: 685 Drives: 2010 370Z Rep Power: 57455	I don’t want peace! I want problems! Always! I am not trying to have my cake and eat it too. I just want to get an idea of where I need to set my limits. Stock long block is good for x, it costs way to ******* much to make another 200whp and it takes a magnitude more to make anything over that reliably. We have the conversation about engines all the time and it’s fairly common knowledge at this point. I am just trying to figure out that situation axle wise. I have ALWAYS been a Nissan guy since I had a GTi-R 18 years ago, Nissan has its faults but at this point it’s a shitty marriage and I will not go anywhere else. I stick to the evil I know. Don’t want you guys to think I am expecting to be spoon fed either, just not a lot of Zs drag racing much less the owners sharing negative results. Without saying, one mans google-fu is not good enough so let’s pool the information together. “If you wanna run 9s yours gonna break xyz so stay in this lane unless you have the cupcakezxpress (never leave home without it) to race at that level”. I think we have achieved that so far Rusty likes this. __________________ 2010 Sport - LS3 swap loading 2012 Frontier - BTWTuning VK56DE swap

02-18-2022, 07:39 PM	#30 (permalink)
sirnixalot Track Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Cayman Islands Posts: 685 Drives: 2010 370Z Rep Power: 57455	Thank you for sharing, I definitely value the input and data and discussion. As far as being committed that is what I am trying to responsibly gauge. I have no shame in saying Certain things are above my pay grade as it were. At the end of the day I’m going to go out there on 28x10.5 bias ply slicks and skinnies up front and give it hell. If it survives I’ll let you know, if I leave a trail of parts, I will also let you know. DrBacon likes this. __________________ 2010 Sport - LS3 swap loading 2012 Frontier - BTWTuning VK56DE swap

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02-18-2022, 03:08 PM	#16 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 14,061 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684393	If you really want to run at the drag strip, I would go straight to a slipper clutch that you can tune with weights on the pressure plate. I am not sure of anyone who makes one. Z-Speed may be able to do it. That is what all the fast stick shift cars run on the drag strip.

02-18-2022, 03:11 PM	#17 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 14,061 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684393	The drag strip is not my thang. I do enjoy watching it though and keep up with what is going on.

02-18-2022, 03:40 PM	#22 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 14,061 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684393	At least you know what your up against and not flying blind so if something happens it won't be a surprised.

02-18-2022, 07:19 PM	#28 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 14,061 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684393	I have shared with you what I know will break. At what point, I can't say. Folks have broken stuff all across the board. Now you know what breaks. That's the best I can do.

02-18-2022, 07:25 PM	#29 (permalink)
DrBacon Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Washington Posts: 286 Drives: 2014 Nismo Rep Power: 27365	I would say it comes down to how committed you are, theoretically you could do a rear end conversion and swap out the trans with something that can take the abuse, but you'd be talking huge money, but the benefit is you wouldn't be breaking ****.