Formula-1 2017...!!

MaysEffect

You are reaching deep trying to say the cars are "different". The cars are the same, tuning parameters do not classify them as different cars. At the end of the day, both cars have the ability of producing very similar results, it wil never be 100% identical, but the fact is they posses the same baseline configuration. Oppose to the Ferrari and Mercedes chassis, which are unquestionably different.

You can go down to any dealership and buy 2 INDENTICAL cars and tune them differently to produce more or less power or handle differently, doesn't make them any less the same chassis. Me changing my alignment doesn't make the car any less the same as yours if we have the same car.

If there is so much wrong with the sport then why are you even arguing on its behalf? People complain about the engines, complain about the looks, complain about the drivers, complain about the teams. Yet these 2017 cars are unquestionably the fastest most technologically advanced in F1 history, and ratings wise, the most watched season in history.

JARblue

That alignment on the same chassis will be the difference between winning and losing in a lot of races...

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MaysEffect

100% agree, but it doesn't make it a different car.

In the case of F1, all the teams are locked into a much more restricted formula than we ever would be with road cars. So there has to be some way of getting an advantage over your team mate and rivals.
At least with road cars, we have the option of making several changes to the base car. Tires, tire sizes, suspension, etc. Both Mercedes W08's use the same parts throughout.

JARblue

Semantics. No one is arguing that the difference between the two Mercedes F1 cars is like the difference between a Ford Focus and a Honda Civic.

The point is that the cars on track are not equal. Therefore, the same driver in a different car may produce different end results. There are lots of variables here, of course, that determine how much difference there is. And it will pretty much always be a "what if" scenario. But those variables are what give some validity to the discussion/question of "how would driver X fare in driver Y's car?". Cars on the same team are going to be closer in that regard, but I still wonder if Lewis or Seb could race the same in their respective teammate's car for a weekend. Not sure that's a question that can actually be answered though.

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Hotrodz

This is what happened to Hamilton last year and nobody said anything because a lot of people like to hate on those that win all the time. Essentially Hamilton's pit team including his engineers were given to Nikko and he still would have beat him if not for engine reliability and bad decision making by Totto and company. Mercedes wanted a German to be a champion and they gave it to Nikko. Such ate the politics in sports entertainment!

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Cyber370

Let’s agree to disagree on this one. Enjoy the ride.......cheers.


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axmea?

Advancing technology and pushing the envelope is costly. The current PU and chassis makes them faster so I doubt they'll go back to NA. I wouldn't want them to go back.

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MaysEffect

Motors... plural. he had multiple motor failures. Let's not also forget the dirty tricks Rosberg attempted to keep Lewis from winning... Spain, Austria.... yea.
Let's not also forget Rosberg had zero response for Hamilton on the wet races, or anyone else for that matter. Getting beat by Hulkenberg at Monaco. Rosberg is not a champion like the Rest. 90% gifted his title last year. However i think it was good for the team and the sport. Having one driver dominate the team and the sport is demoralizing for everyone. It also made for an interesting season on and off the track.

Watching Vettel win 4 straight seasons was absolutely boring for a lot of people, certainly at the end of 2013 when he just walked away with the championship. I didn't even bother waking up early to watch the last races.

DLSTR

Nico was in the car driving it. He won. Thats makes him a WDC. Same as all other winners. Gifted title would the choke of the century when Mclaren gifted the title to Kimi. Thats the real joke WDC on the grid. Nico never backed down and LH knew he had his hands full with him. Give credit where its due. Id like to see anyone on this forum say to his face he is not a WDC.

Beyond stupid it would be. Id take Nico over many of the drivers on the grid. He is beyond smart. Speaks 4+ languages and scored the highest ever on the Williams engineering test when he joined F1. Yea, Nico is not a confident or capable driver LOL. What part of not winning did he fail at. He won by beating LH in the same car on the same tracks. Shite fails on cars. Sometimes good for you, sometimes not but he didnt quit until he achieved his goal. Thats life. Either you succeed or not.

Hulk......please the epitome of journeyman. He can hang out with Heidfeld. I have the address. How many wins does Hulk have or even podiums LOL. Whatever.....Nico played well against MS as well. Yep Nico is just another F1 driver LOL......

MaysEffect

Doesn't this point make it even more laughable that Rosberg is a champion? Being beat by a "journeymen". why is it that he needs to go train in karting as a current f1 driver? Perfect his race craft? Lol he's had as much time as Hamilton if not more to perfect his driving coming up the ranks. Him needing additional training is laughable just so he can win one championship and quit.

And i don't see how Lauda's opinions mean anything. His role as as a manager is as glorified as Trump being president now. It's a thankless job because he offers absolutely nothing to the overall sucess of a race weekend. He's not a drivers coach nor is he a race engineer. So what if blames LH for the crash in spain. Everyone watching the disaster can clearly see who caused the incident. Just as we could in Austria. Its funny how you don't have an opinion on that incident.

Nico hanging along with Schumacher? Lol what a joke. Hamilton came along and outraced him handedly for 3 straight seasons before he could even challenge him with the help of the team.

I'm not getting wrapped up in this useless argument about a quitter who may never return to the sport. We can agree to disagree.

Thank you alcheng for trying to shift the topic to something better such as new tech and engine changes for the future.

DLSTR

LH was beat. Nico won. He drove to win. I guess thats not good enough since you simply dont like him LOL. Im amazed as the reference to Hulk LOL. He has done what?

I dont like any one driver over another, but Im not dumb or blind enough to say a driver making the effort isnt good enough or doesnt rate the title.

Quitter. All driver leave the sport. Another rather ridiculous point. Say you simply dont like Nico and it might give you some credibility.

What we see this year is what we saw last year. Vettel having issues and LH making his own luck to win a title in a car that is in fact less capable in general than the Ferrari. Should I say LH is not worthy since its Vettel's mistakes and car issues really helping LH?

Seriously seek help or post elsewhere. If you want a discussion start by being rational. Bias and blatant ignorance dont make a good argument. Useless rather describes your points well.

alcheng

Regarding those posts/arguments (or whatever you call them)

I think this respectful person sums it up:

Allison ducks 'who is the best driver' question | PlanetF1 : PlanetF1



And I believe we should move on to the next topic.

By the way, this is an open forum and we are free to express our comments and opinion.

Meanwhile, please also keep in mind that we are not in here to convince our thoughts to the others, we might also want to digest others thoughts and opinions and have neutral discussion.

Keep ourselves open thus expand the horizon of our mind.

DLSTR

Lauda opens up on Rosberg/Hamilton relationship

Niki knows nothing about struggle in F1 either I guess LOL.

alcheng

He is old and he might sound stupid at some point nowadays, but Niki Lauda knows how to drive an F1 car, how to build up an F1 team and how politics work in F1 better than anyone.


He went to Ferrari when the team was struggling badly at that time and than he took WDC with Ferrari.

When he won his 3rd and last WDC with McLaren in 1984, he knew he just need to finish 3rd to take the tittle even if Prost wins the race, thus when he was up in 3rd, he started cruising, even let the slower cars un-lap him, that year, he took the WDC by a 0.5 point advantage.

In 1985, where Ron Dennis said they want to put Prost as the 1st driver and have Lauda to support Prost, Lauda refused and told Ron he will drive in his own term. That year, McLaren favorite Prost a big time, where Prost took the WDC and Lauda was down the table nowhere, that's when Lauda retired.

He is old and maybe arrogant, but he is very very smart.

DLSTR

He had a thankless job managing Nico and LH. He did the best he could and holds nothing back. I like Niki alot and its fun to hear him assess issues in F1.