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Zaggeron

I don't get the complaints about the price. The base FRS is gonna be about 25k. The base BRZ will probably be more like 26.5 but it has Nav and other options as standard. That's cheaper than all but the lowest trim Mazda MX-5 and people don't complain about the Mazda's price. ...

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m4a1mustang

The Mazda is also a convertible, which is usually a little more expensive than a coupe anyways.

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Zaggeron

True enough, but the Mazda MX-5 most comparable to the BRZ Limited -- the top tier trim with leather, Bluetooth and satellite radio but no Nav, is listed at 31.2K. That's a few K above what we expect the Limited to run and the limited will have Nav.

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ZMan8

Mx-5 is also an established well known brand. People buy it because it's an mx-5. FRS has nothing working for it though. They don't yet have a brand image.

For example if toyota made the Supra again and made it 400+ hp twin-turbo v-6 stock, people would pay 60k for that because its a "Supra"

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Zaggeron

Maybe, but people also buy it because it is a relatively low-cost fun to drive sports car. The FRS/BRZ is also looking to be a relatively low-cost fun to drive sports car that is similarly priced.

Are you saying the Mx-5 is worth the price *because* it is an established brand but the BRZ isn't because it's brand new?

If you're simply arguing that it is priced to high to be competitive in that very small market ... I dunno, maybe you are right. But that has nothing to do with whether it is worth the price.

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ZMan8

Just seems to me they missed the ball. When they first started teasing about it I thought it would be every tuners dream...a 20K car thats easy to mod and can handle relatively good amount of power.

Now it costs 25K min. and reports are it can't handle any power what-so-ever.

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Zaggeron

I guess we just had different expectations and wants with respect to the car. Frankly, I would be less inclined to pick one up if it were 20k. I'd much rather get a little more upscale car with higher build quality than a new-bodied RWD version of an econo-box.

But, of course, if it is 25k and the interior materials and build quality are cheap, then I'll be disappointed.

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