2016 Alpha platform Camaro

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-17-2015, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Glover997

10. You serious bro ?!!

Yup I am, I think Chevy is more skilled at suspension tuning and having driven the cadillac ATS and have ridden in an ecoboost. The ATS is peppier!

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-17-2015, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by b15

Lol. I guess there's one area where it possibly excels. When are you buying one? You seem in love.

lol.... I'm not sure I will, I love the current 1LE, but i don't own one.

280z/300zx · 05-17-2015, 12:41 PM

Fiance has a 1LE and it was the first care under 60k I've ever been in that I said 'yup, I'd trade my Z for this.' The 1LE is a beast of a car and in my opinion out performs the Z in every area, despite it's hefty weight. And I suppose if you look at magazine testing the 1LE does indeed out perform the Z. So I'm excited to see that the new SS is even better and also lighter. Though I think we may wait a year or two to see if they offer a 1LE option or similar before we trade in her 2014.

Chevy has had 2 major and 1 minor redesign since 2010 with 2 major engine changes. Ford has had 2 major and minor redesigns since 2009 and 2 major and one minor engine changes since 2009. Nissan has had one model and engine since 2009. Nissan needs to step up their game to a whole other level if they want to compete in this price range. Japan in general needs to pull their head out of their asses and go back to the days when they actually made cars worth driving in a good price range. I've owned a Z since I was 17, nearly half my life, and my current Corvette is my first Domestic car ever. The way trends are going with car companies I may never go back imports, my old Z's will be enough

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-17-2015, 01:47 PM

Jordo! · 05-17-2015, 03:26 PM

Well, after a second look, I think my only gripes are that I wish they'd do away with the grill between the headlights and just leave the lower one. Otherwise, the front and rear a both nicer and the profile is overall nice.

I'm sure it will handle and brake well for its girth, and the interior looks nice buuutttt that turbo 4 will feel peppy off the line and then run right out of breath. The 300 hp Mustang feels anemic; a car of similar weight and even less power will feel very ponderous (obviously this doesn't apply to Unknown's interest in the V8 at all) .

I think most consumers will compare and contrast the V6's, and I'm guessing the Camaro will cost a lot more for those 30 extra ponies.

V8 to V8, it's probably just going to come down to who considers themselves to be "Ford" or "Chevy" people.

Come 2016-2017, I'm still keeping my eye out for a gently used 4c or the Z35.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-17-2015, 05:33 PM

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...C8-oxv43G15wlg

Chevy swears the 2016 Camaro is lighter, faster, and put simply, better, than its ancestors. And after a couple of hot laps around Detroit's IndyCar race course, our reply is simple. We agree.

The 2016 edition is a demonstrative step forward for the Camaro. Carmakers always say their products handle better, especially sports cars. But in this case, it's true. Chevy cut more than 200 pounds from the Camaro's curb weight, and it shows. The new platform makes a major difference, too. The result is the 2016 Camaro drives more like a sports car than its predecessor, which feels bulky and dated in comparison.

As General Motors car-guy-in-chief Mark Reuss said, "It is wicked fast and extremely nimble."

We experience that first hand during our brief test drive, which only served to whet our appetite for future seat time. Less than 24 hours after the sixth-generation Camaro was revealed, we return to drive V6-powered pre-production prototypes (the V8 and turbo four cylinder are not available). Clad in camouflage, the cars still look imposing, their head- and taillights shining beneath the black-and-white tape at the starting line of the track.

We select the middle car in a group of three. It has the Tremec six-speed manual. Excellent, we muse. A GM test driver leads the group out of the pits and our speed builds. We work through the gears, but settle on third and fourth most of the time. The exhaust note sounds good at wide-open throttle. It rumbles at low speeds and howls when prodded. It's hard to believe this is a V6.

As we navigate the tight course, and the Camaro shows its stuff. The platform, called Alpha, is also used by the Cadillac ATS and CTS. It's agile and stiff. We feel that when we aggressively dive into corners. The Camaro is poised and takes what we throw at it. The new electric power-assisted steering system has a better, more communicative dynamic than the old car, thanks to a quicker ratio. We note the stout brakes, which help cover our mistakes and provide confidence.

We get one lap in this car, and it's a memorable one. Our encore comes in another prototype with the eight-speed automatic transmission. It has paddles, but with only one more lap ahead, we let the Camaro decide when to shift, which it does smartly. It downshifts aggressively when we want it to, but on the brief straightaways the gearbox smoothly gets us to a high velocity.

After driving both, it's almost surprising how much better the 2016 model feels than the '15 we tested first for comparison. It stays buttoned-up at times when the old car would have been all over the place. The new Camaro is also about two inches shorter in length and wheelbase. It's hard to quantify that during a couple of hot laps, but judging by the car's improved reflexes, it seems to have helped. The last generation relied on raw power and sophisticated engineering to compete with the sporty Ford Mustang, but it also felt closer to Dodge's hefty Challenger. Now, the athletic 2016 Camaro is much more in step with the 'Stang.

Though the new car is said to be more than 200 pounds lighter, that's a blanket number that applies to the entire Camaro range. The V6 model is actually about 300 pounds lighter, and that difference is apparent in our back-to-back drives. After all, the 335-horsepower six-cylinder has only 12 more ponies than last year's V6, but it feels much stronger and more capable.

It's a little strange to evaluate a brawny American muscle car on its weight-loss program, but slimming down the Camaro was Chevy's goal from the start. Chief engineer Al Oppenheiser wanted to "remove the stigma of mass," from the car to help it reach its full potential, which it feels much closer to than before.

Our time in the Camaro also allowed for a brief inspection of the interior. Like the C6 Corvette, the last Camaro had an aging interior with mediocre materials. The C7 received its upgrade, and the Camaro now follows suit. These prototypes, clad in red and black leather, look surprisingly sharp. The eight-inch screen in the center of the instrument panel was smartly positioned and easy to read, at least during our quick glances while in pit road. Like the car's driving character, the interior is sharper in every way.

Conversely, the outside looks like the fifth generation. This is still the Camaro, there's no doubt about that. It takes a close eye to see the differences, which are more apparent when the cars are sitting side by side. The 2016's headlights squint a little bit more, and the lower front air vents are more prominent. In back, the taillights are shaped differently, and the fascia is creased. There are more differences, though they're subtle, to say the least.

But the 2016 redesign wasn't about cosmetics. Chevy already had the Camaro styling down cold, anyway. It wasn't a problem. The car's handling was, and Chevy has fixed it. It drives better, and with more energy than before. "My favorite part of the car is the vehicle dynamics," Reuss said. We only had two hot laps in the car, but we agree wholeheartedly.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-17-2015, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Well, after a second look, I think my only gripes are that I wish they'd do away with the grill between the headlights and just leave the lower one. Otherwise, the front and rear a both nicer and the profile is overall nice.

I'm sure it will handle and brake well for its girth, and the interior looks nice buuutttt that turbo 4 will feel peppy off the line and then run right out of breath. The 300 hp Mustang feels anemic; a car of similar weight and even less power will feel very ponderous (obviously this doesn't apply to Unknown's interest in the V8 at all) .

I think most consumers will compare and contrast the V6's, and I'm guessing the Camaro will cost a lot more for those 30 extra ponies.

V8 to V8, it's probably just going to come down to who considers themselves to be "Ford" or "Chevy" people.

Come 2016-2017, I'm still keeping my eye out for a gently used 4c or the Z35.

The Camaro 5 v6 was about 3750lbs and 312hp.
The Camaro 6 v6 is about 3450lbs and 330hp

I expect the v6 Camaro to get up and go around 5.2 seconds to 60 and 13.4 quarter times. I think the v6 Camaro is actually going to be a car you can own proudly, unlike the Camaro 5. Especially if it can be purchased nicely equipped for $27,000

m4a1mustang · 05-17-2015, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I like the front view. I don't know about the side or rear, though. I'm indifferent, I guess.

Interior... I think it is nice provided you like that type of styling. I don't know if I do, but I'm sure it's an improvement over the current gen.

Redglare · 05-17-2015, 09:20 PM

Can't say I am a big fan of the looks, but then again I wasn't a big fan of the z34 looks when it first came out....

Have to give GM major props for dropping weight and adding power. Nissan are you awake right now? We want a lighter and more powerful z35, 6pot turbo and keeping the same weight would be a good start...... then nissan corporate could just tweak the boost levels over the model year (like they do with the GTR)

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-18-2015, 12:17 AM

At the end of the day... None of the muscle cars are handsome. The mustang is the best looking of the pack now, imho. But the Camaro looks like a man car. The mustang is more of a unisex car.
What counts is muscle... And the Camaro is definitely bulging the most out of the 3 on paper. Lets see how that translates on track. The 1le has been outperformed by the new SS. So I'm dying to see what the all new 1LE will do? Let the games begin.

I thnk the interior of the camaro is sick. blows out the other two imho.

Jordo! · 05-18-2015, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

The Camaro 5 v6 was about 3750lbs and 312hp.
The Camaro 6 v6 is about 3450lbs and 330hp

I expect the v6 Camaro to get up and go around 5.2 seconds to 60 and 13.4 quarter times. I think the v6 Camaro is actually going to be a car you can own proudly, unlike the Camaro 5. Especially if it can be purchased nicely equipped for $27,000

Hmm. That's on par with the Z for less money -- will it really go for under 30K?

MacCool · 05-18-2015, 05:58 AM

GM reveals all-new Camaro - May. 16, 2015

440 HP! Sounds like the Camaro is a Z-killer.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-18-2015, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Hmm. That's on par with the Z for less money -- will it really go for under 30K?

Definitely, at least a base model with a few options, the 2.0T i believe will get very close estoimated numbers, just power will die off earlier. Expect a lower MSRP.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacCool

GM reveals all-new Camaro - May. 16, 2015

440 HP! Sounds like the Camaro is a Z-killer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z-Girl 12

Nice find, what a boat.

The Z 35 is going to need thar 2900-3000lb chassis and that 400-420hp to really be a muscle car killer now.... The Camaro is officially on the high side of "Lightweight" for the displacement and power.

FPenvy · 05-18-2015, 07:57 AM

sooooooooooo the new Camaro body is just a twin of the mustang?

I see I missed so much while at zdayz lol

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-18-2015, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

sooooooooooo the new Camaro body is just a twin of the mustang?

I see I missed so much while at zdayz lol

My man... I expected the SS to have current 1LE performance. GM is saying they surpassed the 1LE in the SS and you know the Camaro 5 1LE was the muscle car to beat. (That even the new stang still can't beat on track

)

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Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 417	Well, after a second look, I think my only gripes are that I wish they'd do away with the grill between the headlights and just leave the lower one. Otherwise, the front and rear a both nicer and the profile is overall nice. I'm sure it will handle and brake well for its girth, and the interior looks nice buuutttt that turbo 4 will feel peppy off the line and then run right out of breath. The 300 hp Mustang feels anemic; a car of similar weight and even less power will feel very ponderous (obviously this doesn't apply to Unknown's interest in the V8 at all) . I think most consumers will compare and contrast the V6's, and I'm guessing the Camaro will cost a lot more for those 30 extra ponies. V8 to V8, it's probably just going to come down to who considers themselves to be "Ford" or "Chevy" people. Come 2016-2017, I'm still keeping my eye out for a gently used 4c or the Z35. UNKNOWN_370 likes this. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it. Last edited by Jordo!; 05-17-2015 at 03:44 PM.

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UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14857	https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...C8-oxv43G15wlg Chevy swears the 2016 Camaro is lighter, faster, and put simply, better, than its ancestors. And after a couple of hot laps around Detroit's IndyCar race course, our reply is simple. We agree. The 2016 edition is a demonstrative step forward for the Camaro. Carmakers always say their products handle better, especially sports cars. But in this case, it's true. Chevy cut more than 200 pounds from the Camaro's curb weight, and it shows. The new platform makes a major difference, too. The result is the 2016 Camaro drives more like a sports car than its predecessor, which feels bulky and dated in comparison. As General Motors car-guy-in-chief Mark Reuss said, "It is wicked fast and extremely nimble." We experience that first hand during our brief test drive, which only served to whet our appetite for future seat time. Less than 24 hours after the sixth-generation Camaro was revealed, we return to drive V6-powered pre-production prototypes (the V8 and turbo four cylinder are not available). Clad in camouflage, the cars still look imposing, their head- and taillights shining beneath the black-and-white tape at the starting line of the track. We select the middle car in a group of three. It has the Tremec six-speed manual. Excellent, we muse. A GM test driver leads the group out of the pits and our speed builds. We work through the gears, but settle on third and fourth most of the time. The exhaust note sounds good at wide-open throttle. It rumbles at low speeds and howls when prodded. It's hard to believe this is a V6. As we navigate the tight course, and the Camaro shows its stuff. The platform, called Alpha, is also used by the Cadillac ATS and CTS. It's agile and stiff. We feel that when we aggressively dive into corners. The Camaro is poised and takes what we throw at it. The new electric power-assisted steering system has a better, more communicative dynamic than the old car, thanks to a quicker ratio. We note the stout brakes, which help cover our mistakes and provide confidence. We get one lap in this car, and it's a memorable one. Our encore comes in another prototype with the eight-speed automatic transmission. It has paddles, but with only one more lap ahead, we let the Camaro decide when to shift, which it does smartly. It downshifts aggressively when we want it to, but on the brief straightaways the gearbox smoothly gets us to a high velocity. After driving both, it's almost surprising how much better the 2016 model feels than the '15 we tested first for comparison. It stays buttoned-up at times when the old car would have been all over the place. The new Camaro is also about two inches shorter in length and wheelbase. It's hard to quantify that during a couple of hot laps, but judging by the car's improved reflexes, it seems to have helped. The last generation relied on raw power and sophisticated engineering to compete with the sporty Ford Mustang, but it also felt closer to Dodge's hefty Challenger. Now, the athletic 2016 Camaro is much more in step with the 'Stang. Though the new car is said to be more than 200 pounds lighter, that's a blanket number that applies to the entire Camaro range. The V6 model is actually about 300 pounds lighter, and that difference is apparent in our back-to-back drives. After all, the 335-horsepower six-cylinder has only 12 more ponies than last year's V6, but it feels much stronger and more capable. It's a little strange to evaluate a brawny American muscle car on its weight-loss program, but slimming down the Camaro was Chevy's goal from the start. Chief engineer Al Oppenheiser wanted to "remove the stigma of mass," from the car to help it reach its full potential, which it feels much closer to than before. Our time in the Camaro also allowed for a brief inspection of the interior. Like the C6 Corvette, the last Camaro had an aging interior with mediocre materials. The C7 received its upgrade, and the Camaro now follows suit. These prototypes, clad in red and black leather, look surprisingly sharp. The eight-inch screen in the center of the instrument panel was smartly positioned and easy to read, at least during our quick glances while in pit road. Like the car's driving character, the interior is sharper in every way. Conversely, the outside looks like the fifth generation. This is still the Camaro, there's no doubt about that. It takes a close eye to see the differences, which are more apparent when the cars are sitting side by side. The 2016's headlights squint a little bit more, and the lower front air vents are more prominent. In back, the taillights are shaped differently, and the fascia is creased. There are more differences, though they're subtle, to say the least. But the 2016 redesign wasn't about cosmetics. Chevy already had the Camaro styling down cold, anyway. It wasn't a problem. The car's handling was, and Chevy has fixed it. It drives better, and with more energy than before. "My favorite part of the car is the vehicle dynamics," Reuss said. We only had two hot laps in the car, but we agree wholeheartedly. cigarclifford likes this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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Redglare Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: FL Posts: 387 Drives: C172 Skyhawk GIII Rep Power: 174	Can't say I am a big fan of the looks, but then again I wasn't a big fan of the z34 looks when it first came out.... Have to give GM major props for dropping weight and adding power. Nissan are you awake right now? We want a lighter and more powerful z35, 6pot turbo and keeping the same weight would be a good start...... then nissan corporate could just tweak the boost levels over the model year (like they do with the GTR) UNKNOWN_370 likes this.

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UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14857	At the end of the day... None of the muscle cars are handsome. The mustang is the best looking of the pack now, imho. But the Camaro looks like a man car. The mustang is more of a unisex car. What counts is muscle... And the Camaro is definitely bulging the most out of the 3 on paper. Lets see how that translates on track. The 1le has been outperformed by the new SS. So I'm dying to see what the all new 1LE will do? Let the games begin. I thnk the interior of the camaro is sick. blows out the other two imho. cigarclifford likes this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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MacCool A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Midwest Posts: 1,349 Drives: 370Z PW 2014 Rep Power: 16	GM reveals all-new Camaro - May. 16, 2015 440 HP! Sounds like the Camaro is a Z-killer. m4a1mustang and UNKNOWN_370 like this.

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