2016 Alpha platform Camaro

Jordo! · 05-19-2015, 06:24 AM

I like it more the more I see it, but I'm guessing the V8 is going to be waaaaaaay more than the Z.

The V6 will probably be in the Z35 ballpark. If it's the about same price, it comes down to preference.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-19-2015, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

I like it more the more I see it, but I'm guessing the V8 is going to be waaaaaaay more than the Z.

The V6 will probably be in the Z35 ballpark. If it's the about same price, it comes down to preference.

GM said the first year pricing will look very similar to current pricing
It is also said that unlike Mustang. Chevy is not limiting the optioning to the Chevy base cars. You will be able to option out a turbo 4, a v6 and v8 the same way.
Chevy also focused on a huge variety of in-house aftermarket to support Chevy this generation. I think they are hoping to make their extra cash in the in-house aftermarket?

I think the 4 and 6 will only be $1000-2000 difference in price

Jordo! · 05-19-2015, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

GM said the first year pricing will look very similar to current pricing
It is also said that unlike Mustang. Chevy is not limiting the optioning to the Chevy base cars. You will be able to option out a turbo 4, a v6 and v8 the same way.
Chevy also focused on a huge variety of in-house aftermarket to support Chevy this generation. I think they are hoping to make their extra cash in the in-house aftermarket?

I think the 4 and 6 will only be $1000-2000 difference in price

I'd be surprised if they're that close -- you get a LOT more power with the V6. No one will buy the turbo 4.

Although looking at current pricing on Edmunds, they already came close to the Z on price and power for the V6, and the V8 was only a few grand more.

Hmm.

I'd be thinking about this myself if they offered a trans-am firebird...

Well, and I also prefer a two-seater.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-19-2015, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

I'd be surprised if they're that close -- you get a LOT more power with the V6. No one will buy the turbo 4.

Although looking at current pricing on Edmunds, they already came close to the Z on price and power for the V6, and the V8 was only a few grand more.

Hmm.

I'd be thinking about this myself if they offered a trans-am firebird...

Well, and I also prefer a two-seater.

The mod potential is much greater on the 4. I think the overall reasoning for the turbos in both mustang and camaro is the hopes of gaining 150hp with $3,000 after parts and tune. Being Z drivers we know it's a bitch modding an NA v6. NA V8's have more potential with NA parts. V6 engines don't get far in the mod arena without laying down a dozen grand in aftermarket turbos and engine forging. Young folk want to hear screaming BOV's and aftermarket exhausts on howling 4's. The v6 is for the daily driver who appreciates, fuel econ, camaro style and handling.

I think Chevy intends to sell lots of aftermarket engine parts for the 4 and 8. If you've ever driven an ATS performance pack car? You'll see why the 2.0 is desireable. I prefer it over the 3.6 even though the 3.6 is faster in the Caddy.

DCNISMO · 05-19-2015, 09:52 AM

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Chevy also focused on a huge variety of in-house aftermarket to support Chevy this generation. I think they are hoping to make their extra cash in the in-house aftermarket?

Typically as with Ford, you have to have a dealer install the parts. But I agree, its leaving money on the table if they don't offer some aftermarket parts. But they have to be real careful about emissions and crash tests too. Being a big OEM supplier they have to meet all the federal regs that most tuners and parts manufacturers never pay attention too, as it costs big buck to get CARB and EPA certified.

m4a1mustang · 05-19-2015, 10:02 AM

I'm in the same camp with everyone else. The more I see it the more I like it.

I feel like Ford tried to do too much to cater to both old and new buyer's tastes, whereas Chevy stuck with one theme and came out with a better flow to the design, better proportions, etc. Like UNKNOWN said, it will be interesting to see how they respond in the coming years. They have their work cut out for them as Chevy seems to be several steps ahead.

The interior tech offered also appears to be superior. Just compare the gauge clusters... way more modern than the Mustang.

Definitely want to check one out. I want to buy a C7, but if I needed a 2+2 I think I'd probably end up with a Camaro over a Mustang (pending a test drive, of course.)

FPenvy · 05-19-2015, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I'm in the same camp with everyone else. The more I see it the more I like it.

I feel like Ford tried to do too much to cater to both old and new buyer's tastes, whereas Chevy stuck with one theme and came out with a better flow to the design, better proportions, etc. Like UNKNOWN said, it will be interesting to see how they respond in the coming years. They have their work cut out for them as Chevy seems to be several steps ahead.

The interior tech offered also appears to be superior. Just compare the gauge clusters... way more modern than the Mustang.

Definitely want to check one out. I want to buy a C7, but if I needed a 2+2 I think I'd probably end up with a Camaro over a Mustang (pending a test drive, of course.)

its continually growing on me as well.

I want to test drive one regardless of whatever I plan on buying next. just want to see the difference between it and the outgoing boat sized model.

Red__Zed · 05-19-2015, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

its continually growing on me as well.

I want to test drive one regardless of whatever I plan on buying next. just want to see the difference between it and the outgoing boat sized model.

I'm kind of irritated the Camaro looks so good on paper. I feel like I need to drive one before I buy anything, and I want to spend money now.

FPenvy · 05-19-2015, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I'm kind of irritated the Camaro looks so good on paper. I feel like I need to drive one before I buy anything, and I want to spend money now.

agreed. once the local chevy dealer gets their first SS that isn't already sold i'll go get a test drive.

Brightside there will be plenty shipped. shouldn't take long.

m4a1mustang · 05-19-2015, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I'm kind of irritated the Camaro looks so good on paper. I feel like I need to drive one before I buy anything, and I want to spend money now.

Yeah that's pretty annoying. I want to drive a Camaro SS before I buy a C7... just to make sure.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-19-2015, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I'm in the same camp with everyone else. The more I see it the more I like it.

I feel like Ford tried to do too much to cater to both old and new buyer's tastes, whereas Chevy stuck with one theme and came out with a better flow to the design, better proportions, etc. Like UNKNOWN said, it will be interesting to see how they respond in the coming years. They have their work cut out for them as Chevy seems to be several steps ahead.

The interior tech offered also appears to be superior. Just compare the gauge clusters... way more modern than the Mustang.

Definitely want to check one out. I want to buy a C7, but if I needed a 2+2 I think I'd probably end up with a Camaro over a Mustang (pending a test drive, of course.)

I honestly think this is going to be an 8.5/10th vette if not a 9/10ths vette. I think the real difference in these cars will show at the limit on a complex track. I think on a moderate track, a potential 1LE package would be on par with the vette in most instances. I predict the camaro being the best bang for buck out of any car under $55k

As far as the Z goes, in another thread i mention my own wild speculations for a future Z? If those specs arent met? The Z will be a bigger sales disappointment than the Z34.

Chevy really did a role reversal putting america back on the map internationally. And if this C8 MR vette comes to fruition in 2017? It's going to be on.
Also, the Chevy sonic RS needs to get redesigned to be more aggressive and have power between a Fiesta STand a Focus ST with Fiesta weight and mod potential for high BOOST. With pricing right in between both. That would put the Sonic fitting perfectly in the hot hatch arena and chevy would even be a competitor there as well.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-19-2015, 02:34 PM

I think, styling wise we were all looking for radical changes... Like somehow, the proportions of the camoflauged mule were supposed to radically change. I guess we were hoping for camo moldings fooling us on the shape.
But when the Mustang came out... I felt disappointed too. It took me a visit to the Dallas auto show to see how nicely crafted the Mustang is... I think the Mustang is leagues nicer looking than the last gen. Street performance doesn't disappoint and quality is there... Theres a couple of cheap plasticky areas to the mustang interior that I'm surprised over considering how high it can get up in price. But when loaded out. You'll notice the bigger ticket items over the plastic.
That said, Mustang interior quality improved in materials but is closer to the revised 2012+ mustang in styling while Camaro went radically different with minor hints to the last gen interior. Lighting and seats seem more aggressive and the Camaro stance looks meaner. While the Camaro grille and the Malibu share some styling hints. It's not plagued with the fusion coupe stigma of theMustang. Those will be some brownie points for the Camaro in terms of sales. The camaro rear seems to need more drama though considering the amount of real estate back there..
That said, it seems how nice the Camaro looks will be strongly color dependent. Not every color looks all that, such as the electric blue Camaro... It's not a great color at least from pictures. I can't say the Mustang has a bad color to it. Every color brilliantly matches the Mustangs lines and curves.

The mustang is nice enough for Mustang die hards to keep choosing it next year. But I think this camaro will hit 6 figure sales first year out.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-19-2015, 02:42 PM

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-19-2015, 09:19 PM

The widy body kit and racing stripe look murderous. I'm officially in love!!

FPenvy · 05-20-2015, 07:38 AM

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The widy body kit and racing stripe look murderous. I'm officially in love!!

I actually really like that lol

damn you for showing me this.

05-19-2015, 06:24 AM	#1 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 419	I like it more the more I see it, but I'm guessing the V8 is going to be waaaaaaay more than the Z. The V6 will probably be in the Z35 ballpark. If it's the about same price, it comes down to preference. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it.

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	I'm in the same camp with everyone else. The more I see it the more I like it. I feel like Ford tried to do too much to cater to both old and new buyer's tastes, whereas Chevy stuck with one theme and came out with a better flow to the design, better proportions, etc. Like UNKNOWN said, it will be interesting to see how they respond in the coming years. They have their work cut out for them as Chevy seems to be several steps ahead. The interior tech offered also appears to be superior. Just compare the gauge clusters... way more modern than the Mustang. Definitely want to check one out. I want to buy a C7, but if I needed a 2+2 I think I'd probably end up with a Camaro over a Mustang (pending a test drive, of course.) __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	I think, styling wise we were all looking for radical changes... Like somehow, the proportions of the camoflauged mule were supposed to radically change. I guess we were hoping for camo moldings fooling us on the shape. But when the Mustang came out... I felt disappointed too. It took me a visit to the Dallas auto show to see how nicely crafted the Mustang is... I think the Mustang is leagues nicer looking than the last gen. Street performance doesn't disappoint and quality is there... Theres a couple of cheap plasticky areas to the mustang interior that I'm surprised over considering how high it can get up in price. But when loaded out. You'll notice the bigger ticket items over the plastic. That said, Mustang interior quality improved in materials but is closer to the revised 2012+ mustang in styling while Camaro went radically different with minor hints to the last gen interior. Lighting and seats seem more aggressive and the Camaro stance looks meaner. While the Camaro grille and the Malibu share some styling hints. It's not plagued with the fusion coupe stigma of theMustang. Those will be some brownie points for the Camaro in terms of sales. The camaro rear seems to need more drama though considering the amount of real estate back there.. That said, it seems how nice the Camaro looks will be strongly color dependent. Not every color looks all that, such as the electric blue Camaro... It's not a great color at least from pictures. I can't say the Mustang has a bad color to it. Every color brilliantly matches the Mustangs lines and curves. The mustang is nice enough for Mustang die hards to keep choosing it next year. But I think this camaro will hit 6 figure sales first year out. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980 Last edited by UNKNOWN_370; 05-19-2015 at 02:45 PM.

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UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	__________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	The widy body kit and racing stripe look murderous. I'm officially in love!! __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980 Last edited by UNKNOWN_370; 05-19-2015 at 09:21 PM.

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