Next Generation of NISMO Performance Announcement Coming 2/26

Cmike2780 · 02-28-2013, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Crazy how other cars in its price range sell like crazy, huh? I mean, mustang sales and all. The new 5.0 with Track Pack is all the rage. If Nissan makes a car that compete, maybe it will sell too. Of course the fat whore doesn't make as much money as the hot one. Nissan needs to get it in shape and maybe she can bring home some money.

I agree with you somewhat, but the sales figures of the Mustang has been on the decline overall....even after the refresh. People just aren't buying as many sports cars/muscle cars as they use to in the early 2000's. Stangs are still outselling the Z by a huge margin, but overall, it's been on a decline. Ford knows this. It's why rumors of a the next Mustang becoming more of a sports car instead of muscle car are likely. I love muscle cars & anything fast, but let's face it, the majority of the planet are satisfied driving a Camry or Civic.

Heck, 'Murica's love for muscle cars isn't even a comparison to what they really love. The bread and butter for the big three and the very reason they are still around after making lackluster cars for so many years......Big *** Trucks! Ford sold 645,316 F-Series trucks last year vs 82,995 for the 'stang.

I guess my point is, it's a niche market begin with and you can find faults in every car if you look hard enough. You'd have to be a complete fool to believe every word in the brochure. If every word were true, there would be no aftermarket & we wouldn't need to modify anything. It's not an excuse or in defense of Nissan, Ford or any other company, just realities of producing a car that has to apeal to millions, each having very specific wants and needs. The next Z should be better and learn from current owners, but that doesn't mean Nissan is going to listen to a few enthusiast. Here's to hoping that they do.

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-28-2013, 09:35 AM

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I agree with you somewhat, but the sales figures of the Mustang has been on the decline overall....even after the refresh. People just aren't buying as many sports cars/muscle cars as they use to in the early 2000's. Stangs are still outselling the Z by a huge margin, but overall, it's been on a decline. Ford knows this. It's why rumors of a the next Mustang becoming more of a sports car instead of muscle car are likely. I love muscle cars & anything fast, but let's face it, the majority of the planet are satisfied driving a Camry or Civic.

Heck, 'Murica's love for muscle cars isn't even a comparison to what they really love. The bread and butter for the big three and the very reason they are still around after making lackluster cars for so many years......Big *** Trucks! Ford sold 645,316 F-Series trucks last year vs 82,995 for the 'stang.

I guess my point is, it's a niche market begin with and you can find faults in every car if you look hard enough. You'd have to be a complete fool to believe every word in the brochure. If every word were true, there would be no aftermarket & we wouldn't need to modify anything. It's not an excuse or in defense of Nissan, Ford or any other company, just realities of producing a car that has to apeal to millions, each having very specific wants and needs. The next Z should be better and learn from current owners, but that doesn't mean Nissan is going to listen to a few enthusiast. Here's to hoping that they do.

Yeah but Camaro sales see increases... I think Fords overall styling works against them as well as having the Live axle. I think people are just demanding more for their money. Camaro offers more overall interior comfort. (Those seats are amazing) More confident steering and a sport like seat position with caddy like comfort. While mustang has a comfy seat option. comfort is standard on a camaro. Camaro also has a lot of standard creature comforts.
The mustang performance is more pure but the vast market is looking for a combo sport/ comfort car. The camaro fits that mold much better and just feels good when driving daily by comparison.
I think the next gen will be more z like in terms of a lot of power matched on amazing handling. That will help the stang, but with the ATS chassis being the main candidate for the next gen camaro. It will be a tight race. Either way. I think mustang sales will increase next gen. This gen body style is just worn to shyt.

Cmike2780 · 02-28-2013, 10:13 AM

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Yeah but Camaro sales see increases... I think Fords overall styling works against them as well as having the Live axle. I think people are just demanding more for their money. Camaro offers more overall interior comfort. (Those seats are amazing) More confident steering and a sport like seat position with caddy like comfort. While mustang has a comfy seat option. comfort is standard on a camaro. Camaro also has a lot of standard creature comforts.
The mustang performance is more pure but the vast market is looking for a combo sport/ comfort car. The camaro fits that mold much better and just feels good when driving daily by comparison.
I think the next gen will be more z like in terms of a lot of power matched on amazing handling. That will help the stang, but with the ATS chassis being the main candidate for the next gen camaro. It will be a tight race. Either way. I think mustang sales will increase next gen. This gen body style is just worn to shyt.

The Camaro sales are beating the Mustang, but totals show an overall decrease from 2011 to 2013 for the Camaro also. It's some 3,800 units less. That's about a third of 370z sales in 2012. I actually like the Mustang's styling over the Camaro. Both cars need a huge re-design though. The Camaro's styling, although hadn't entered production until 2010, dates back to 2006 in a concept form. That's a lot of years of seeing the same design. I'm curious to see what Chevy has planned for the next gen Camaro after seeing the new Stingray.

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-28-2013, 10:20 AM

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The Camaro sales are beating the Mustang, but totals show an overall decrease from 2011 to 2013 for the Camaro also. It's some 3,800 units less. That's about a third of 370z sales in 2012. I actually like the Mustang's styling over the Camaro. Both cars need a huge re-design though. The Camaro's styling, although hadn't entered production until 2010, dates back to 2006 in a concept form. That's a lot of years of seeing the same design. I'm curious to see what Chevy has planned for the next gen Camaro after seeing the new Stingray.

The camaro was a tedious concept car. 2 years late and bloated. But i love that car. Especially in SS1LE form. People just don't know what's up with that one. Thats one incredible set-up

ImportConvert · 02-28-2013, 10:45 AM

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The camaro was a tedious concept car. 2 years late and bloated. But i love that car. Especially in SS1LE form. People just don't know what's up with that one. Thats one incredible set-up

Like I said, Nissan could shut up and sit down at the alter of GM and learn a thing or two about suspension. Ferrari, BMW, and Audi have come to GM with hat in hand or used knock-off versions of their technology, already. Or maybe Nissan is in bed with Ford because they leased them the technology to make their GT-R engine?

ImportConvert · 02-28-2013, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

I agree with you somewhat, but the sales figures of the Mustang has been on the decline overall....even after the refresh. People just aren't buying as many sports cars/muscle cars as they use to in the early 2000's. Have you seen the economy? It isn't the car. They still sell more in a month than Nissan sells Z's in a year, typically... Stangs are still outselling the Z by a huge margin, but overall, it's been on a decline. Ford knows this. It's why rumors of a the next Mustang becoming more of a sports car instead of muscle car are likely. I love muscle cars & anything fast, but let's face it, the majority of the planet are satisfied driving a Camry or Civic. I used to work for a Ford dealer. It's always been this way. Our sales data for the last 30 years were that way. HUGE! spike that slowly trends down, following a new model. Then it begins again.

Heck, 'Murica's love for muscle cars isn't even a comparison to what they really love. The bread and butter for the big three and the very reason they are still around after making lackluster cars for so many years......Big *** Trucks! Ford sold 645,316 F-Series trucks last year vs 82,995 for the 'stang.
Very true, on the truck point, but 'Murica buys horsepower.
I guess my point is, it's a niche market begin with and you can find faults in every car if you look hard enough. You'd have to be a complete fool to believe every word in the brochure. I believed I could drive to work every day and not warp my Sport rotors every 10K miles. I believed that the car actually was 53/47 wet and with a driver instead of the 55/45 that it is when I weighed it. Am I stupid for thinking that the manufacture wouldn't BS me so hard? If every word were true, there would be no aftermarket & we wouldn't need to modify anything. It's not an excuse or in defense of Nissan, Ford or any other company, just realities of producing a car that has to apeal to millions, each having very specific wants and needs. The next Z should be better and learn from current owners, but that doesn't mean Nissan is going to listen to a few enthusiast. Here's to hoping that they do.

I hope Nissan does, too, but they will have to re-do EVERYTHING. Paint. Glass. Everything. The whole car has been rather fragile. The rotors just really stand out and bug me. My G20 was the same way, build by the same kinds of minds. It's just how they do things over there in this company, and I've decided it's not to my advantage.

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