Next Generation of NISMO Performance Announcement Coming 2/26

JungleZ

Not interested in gtr, are you guys even worried the next g z will be a disaster? They barely sell them right now..

ImportConvert

I don't care what it is, I refuse to buy another Nissan, but I am sure that on paper it will perform better than the current model, Nissan usually does accomplish that.

UNKNOWN_370

I'm really worried brother... I want more than anything for the Z to be a huge competitor in the next gen market. We never addressed the things we should've and what we did address it took too long.

That said. I don't see this current Z as a complete disaster and for whatever reason the American media felt they needed to? I think the Z's shortcomings are over-exaggerated. BUT, we need a formula that has to be bulletproof.

1. Much lighter weight (2800-3000lb range through alum &CF usage expansion)
2. An automatic transmission that can hold up to 500rwhp
3. A smoother short shifting manual.
4. Maintain or improve the 1g/1.01g of grip we currently have
5. Universal brake cooling for all models
6. A body design that can support over 180mph top speeds w/o body kit.
7. A simplified yet very high quality interior.
8. Squeeze an extra foot of trunk space
9. Look at michelin PSS as standard sport tires.
10. Maintain sport pkg width on tires and continue Rays wheel support.
11. Akebono needs to improve on weight reduction and ventilation on the next sport brake.
12. Use high torque F.I. Motor
13. Keep prices as reasonable as possible.

Stay away from

1. electric steering.
2. electric handbrakes
3. Too much digital shyt
4.Adding a clock in the triple gauge cluster

SS_Firehawk

What you are describing is a corvette. And all that will turn into the price of a Corvette. Electric power steering is already on the vehicle. And They have no reason to make another transmission that can hold 500whp that what is on the GTR. Manufacturers build to a requirement and there is no incentive to use the expensive parts needed to upgrade their 7sp to hold that kind of power. In reality, it's torque that breaks things, not horsepower.

The FM platform is made of steel, it's the main reason Z's weigh 32-3300lbs. Switch that to aluminum and weight will go down, but expect prices to jump. Lightweight cars don't need a lot of torque. If weight is dropping to your 2800-3000 lbs, 300lbft would feel like a lot. I do agree that the Z would be better on different tires. PSS's, Re11's AD08's, a serious track tire if it's a SP or Nismo. I don't think a base model would need all the extra track cooling things you want, but I can def see it on sport and Nismo models.

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UNKNOWN_370

1. Electric steering is on the Vette. I said we need to stay away from that. Which would equal cost reduction
2. I said increase usage of CF and Alum. Not build the car of Alum and CF. The vette chassis is all aluminum.
3. I when i said more torque, notice I didn't specify Hp and TQ numbers because I don't even know what They friggin plan on putting in the Z.
But, if you are going to maintain or increase the grip on the current car???? Torque will help alot. I like the fact that the Z on launch feels like a muscle car. And I don't want it to feel like a BRZ. So torque for me means near equal number to its HP rating. ie. 320hp/320lbs tq. On 3k lbs? That don't mean shyt.
The vette is 3100 lbs w/a shytload of torque. As it stands right now. Our cars are heavier. A $3,000 price increase for a competitive car? I'm not crying.
4. simplifying the interior as far as computer BS should save a lot of money over the current car. No need for $2200 nav options when we can have a simplified $800 unit. things enthusiasts DONT need. We dont need electric doo dads like elec steering and brakes either. All costly fluff.

Keep the money in the chassis and sport pkges.

SS_Firehawk

We have a variable electric steering unit in our cars. Electric power steering has also gotten very inexpensive, improves gas mileage, and horsepower. I don't see manufacturers retaining hydraulic. If the base price for a Z is 33k and the base price for a Vette is closer to 50k, that's significant. If we use the Nismo instead, we are still off by around 8k. If you propose to reduce weight by 200-400lbs without switching to an aluminum chassis, it's impossible with the safety regulations. The use of carbon fiber is incredibly cost prohibitive and will send the price through the roof. Affordable carbon fiber is a relative term, and the cost for OEM's to use it is still very high. Regarding the NAV unit, like you said, it is an option. We don't need it, we have phones. The rest of the car world is turning their nav systems all fancy, if Nissan does not improve their tech side, it will only be another pitfall. The Vette has a lot of avenues to recoup development funds. The have their own racing team, and parts sharing is very high. There is no import tax to contend with and they build 10's of thousands a year. The Z doesn't make Nissan enough money on the Z to make a dedicated chassis. Now they can price a Nismo Z 10-20,000 higher than a normal one, make that chassis aluminum, throw a bunch of go fast parts and have that go battle with the serious fish in the business. Then make a base model with more basic amenities and reduced power to hit the low end of the market ($30k) A lot of this is just my opinion on the matter. I wish the same things are you do, but it will be far fetched to see some of it come to fruition.

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UNKNOWN_370

You make some valid points but in reality. A beefier auto will help increase sales of the Z. Nissan went on record in 09 bragging about there 440hp threshold. Sadly, it truly was only 400 and it didn't reallly help when modding out the car. So they obviously were trying to show that "Even the auto was modifiable." In that sense. Beefing up the auto would benefit them based on there own advertising BS.
I could have sworn we have Hydraulic steering units with electronic assist which is different from Electronic steering. That's something else though. Unnecessary debate...
Lastly, our suspension, engine hood and crossbeams are aluminum right now. Our radiator housing and drive-shaft is carbon fiber. I'm sure it won't hurt to further increase this usage by another 15% while figuring out a way to use less steel on the chassis. Going all aluminum again is something else... and i agree it should go with the Nismo. Nismo is it's own racing division and it's about to expand greatly starting this year. Our cars aren't due for about 18 months. Funding can be pulled from the bread and butter vehicles Nissan currently runs and it's sharing of technology with mercedes. That merger isn't a one way street. Mercedes isn't giving us welfare. lol

all in all. Everything I said may not be able to happen first year. But nissan has an opportunity to create a world famous car. The Z name has held a lot of weight over the years, But was only able to be King for 6 of them (90-96) It's time to reclaim that.
A BRZ fighter won't do that. And if a BRZ fighter is what they build. The 370z will be my last Nissan for a while. It will be sad after having owned 6 Nissan and 2 infiniti vehicles. But my dollars will go somewhere else if they can't compete in a "REAL' sport arena and NOT some BRZ bullshyt.

ImportConvert

My .02, FWIW.

UNKNOWN_370

I think Fi benefits this car more because v6 NA tuning sucks and is expensive. NA v8 or FI 6 are superior to other types of inexpensive engines. Plus they are much more mod friendly as well as less expensive to mod.

ImportConvert

FI is heavy, and the car is already a pig up front. They would need to figure out how to trim it down a lot not to un-balance it even more than it already is.