The car most enthusiasts still sleep on

Waiz · 12-28-2012, 01:34 PM

I wouldn't say it's being overlooked in SoCal but maybe in other parts of the country.

I have known a few people with them and they had nothing but good things to say about them.

You have to admit a Turbo 4-cylinder with Brembos in their Track-spec is a good value even if you don't respect the brand.

b1adesofcha0s · 12-28-2012, 01:49 PM

I think it's a good value for sure, but I don't think the build quality, fit, finish, etc. can compete with the likes of Infiniti/BMW. Also the Infiniti is much more of a luxury car than the gen coupe.

No way it will ever be competitive with the 3 series because a lot of people buy 3 series for the BMW badge. It may sell well, but it certainly won't hurt BMW's sales. I think the real competitor for the 3 series is the Cadillac ATS.

Waiz · 12-28-2012, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

I think it's a good value for sure, but I don't think the build quality, fit, finish, etc. can compete with the likes of Infiniti/BMW. Also the Infiniti is much more of a luxury car than the gen coupe.

No way it will ever be competitive with the 3 series because a lot of people buy 3 series for the BMW badge. It may sell well, but it certainly won't hurt BMW's sales. I think the real competitor for the 3 series is the Cadillac ATS.

Yeah I would agree that they have a long way to go before they can compete with BMW or Infiniti but it's a start.

Infiniti 10 years ago was still well behind the rest of the marquee brands and look how much progress they have made since that time

b1adesofcha0s · 12-28-2012, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Waizzz

Yeah I would agree that they have a long way to go before they can compete with BMW or Infiniti but it's a start.

Infiniti 10 years ago was still well behind the rest of the marquee brands and look how much progress they have made since that time

What they really need IMO is a new brand image. They need to come out with their own high end/luxury brand to separate those cars from the Hyundai name. Just like Nissan has Infiniti, Honda has Acura, and Toyota has Lexus. That's the only way people will stop looking at them as "Hyundais". They're already trying to hide the fact that all their higher end cars are Hyundais. None of them have a Hyundai badge.

ZMan8 · 12-28-2012, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

What they really need IMO is a new brand image. They need to come out with their own high end/luxury brand to separate those cars from the Hyundai name. Just like Nissan has Infiniti, Honda has Acura, and Toyota has Lexus. That's the only way people will stop looking at them as "Hyundais". They're already trying to hide the fact that all their higher end cars are Hyundais. None of them have a Hyundai badge.

This is so true.

Waiz · 12-28-2012, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

What they really need IMO is a new brand image. They need to come out with their own high end/luxury brand to separate those cars from the Hyundai name. Just like Nissan has Infiniti, Honda has Acura, and Toyota has Lexus. That's the only way people will stop looking at them as "Hyundais". They're already trying to hide the fact that all their higher end cars are Hyundais. None of them have a Hyundai badge.

Excellent point

Probably didn't help them out that they were falsifying their MPG numbers either

I have to admit, the Veloster is a really cool little car but BMW/Audi/MB level, no way!

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-28-2012, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Waizzz

Yeah I would agree that they have a long way to go before they can compete with BMW or Infiniti but it's a start.

Infiniti 10 years ago was still well behind the rest of the marquee brands and look how much progress they have made since that time

The question is... Will infiniti keep building drivers cars or will they stagnate, like Mercedes did through the late 90's early 2000's. This new Altima and Sentra weren't very promising as FWD entries. Especially after Nissan being exposed to the New Sonata/optima, the new malibu, etc. The upcoming Versa hatch doesn't look like it will get any closer to competing against the Ford fiesta/Mazda2/chevy sonic (which should be its goal). Will we see a Sentra SE-R SpecV???
The body lines of the Camo G(Qsedan) look pretty much like an upscale version of the 13 Altima.
While I can tell the american market is going to improve on current patforms. It's questionable if the asian market will keep striving. At least hyundai at minimum has claimed a competitor. We in the z forum don't know if our next Z will be a Porsche Fighter or an upscale BRZ(disappointment if so?)

With Nissan being overly quiet in the most competitive time of the season... (the 2015 automobile marketing pre-emptive strike season) And Nissan 2013's being kinda lame (Z included) It's one of those things that make me look at car companies that are aggressive in making improvements.

Hyundai went from 306hp to 348 on the V6 and 220hp to 274 on the i4 turbo in 3 years. We got softer suspension and brake ducts on the nismo. Ok the Z is still the better car, but it shows a lack of wanting to strive for better. It's like japan is losing the competitive edge to lead in the sports car arena????? Is this true? I don't know. But there's not a small inkling of something impressive coming from Nissan thus far.

Waiz · 12-28-2012, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

The question is... Will infiniti keep building drivers cars or will they stagnate, like Mercedes did through the late 90's early 2000's. This new Altima and Sentra weren't very promising as FWD entries. Especially after Nissan being exposed to the New Sonata/optima, the new malibu, etc. The upcoming Versa hatch doesn't look like it will get any closer to competing against the Ford fiesta/Mazda2/chevy sonic (which should be its goal). Will we see a Sentra SE-R SpecV???
The body lines of the Camo G(Qsedan) look pretty much like an upscale version of the 13 Altima.
While I can tell the american market is going to improve on current patforms. It's questionable if the asian market will keep striving. At least hyundai at minimum has claimed a competitor. We in the z forum don't know if our next Z will be a Porsche Fighter or an upscale BRZ(disappointment if so?)

With Nissan being overly quiet in the most competitive time of the season... (the 2015 automobile marketing pre-emptive strike season) And Nissan 2013's being kinda lame (Z included) It's one of those things that make me look at car companies that are aggressive in making improvements.

Hyundai went from 306hp to 348 on the V6 and 220hp to 274 on the i4 turbo in 3 years. We got softer suspension and brake ducts on the nismo. Ok the Z is still the better car, but it shows a lack of wanting to strive for better. It's like japan is losing the competitive edge to lead in the sports car arena????? Is this true? I don't know. But there's not a small inkling of something impressive coming from Nissan thus far.

One of the biggest hurdles for Nissan/Infiniti is going to be able to meet the CAFE standards for the future.

Given the lackluster sales of the 370z I don't see them giving much of a focus on the next model. It will undoubtedly be an evolution of the 370z if they even decide to bring another model at all.

Everything that we're hearing from Infiniti is that they are looking to take the brand global so I don't see them slowing down at all but performance models is probably not their focus going forward

b1adesofcha0s · 12-28-2012, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Waizzz

One of the biggest hurdles for Nissan/Infiniti is going to be able to meet the CAFE standards for the future.

Given the lackluster sales of the 370z I don't see them giving much of a focus on the next model. It will undoubtedly be an evolution of the 370z if they even decide to bring another model at all.

Everything that we're hearing from Infiniti is that they are looking to take the brand global so I don't see them slowing down at all but performance models is probably not their focus going forward

Actually it seems like Infiniti really wants to push their IPL line to higher levels of performance. They would like it to compete with AMG and BMW's M series.

b1adesofcha0s · 12-28-2012, 01:56 PM

I think the Gen coupe vs G37 coupe comparison sort of parallels that of the Z vs Cayman. The Z can give you most of the performance for half the price, but the Cayman is more refined and better engineered.

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2012, 02:47 PM

And proof that Honda (present) is full of idiots, here is what they showed at the Tokyo Auto Salon:

Hot Or Not? Honda Shows S2000 Modulo Climax Concept At Tokyo Auto Salon - WOT on Motor Trend

What the f*ck is wrong with you, present Honda?

ZMan8 · 12-28-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

And proof that Honda (present) is full of idiots, here is what they showed at the Tokyo Auto Salon:

Hot Or Not? Honda Shows S2000 Modulo Climax Concept At Tokyo Auto Salon - WOT on Motor Trend

What the f*ck is wrong with you, present Honda?

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-28-2012, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

And proof that Honda (present) is full of idiots, here is what they showed at the Tokyo Auto Salon:

Hot Or Not? Honda Shows S2000 Modulo Climax Concept At Tokyo Auto Salon - WOT on Motor Trend

What the f*ck is wrong with you, present Honda?

Looks like the S2k is tring to look like a miata???

Rui Z · 12-28-2012, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Hot Or Not? Honda Shows S2000 Modulo Climax Concept At Tokyo Auto Salon - WOT on Motor Trend

Wanna know how I got these scars? My father, was a drinker...and a fiend. And one night, he goes off craaaazier than usual. Mommy gets the kitchen to defend herself. He doesnt like that. Not...one...bit. So, me watching, he takes the knife to her, laughing while he does it. He turns to me, and he says, "Why so serious?". Comes at me with the knife, "Why so serious?!". Sticks the blade in my mouth, "Let's put a smile on that face".

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2012, 02:57 PM

Check that shiz out from the back... even worse!

The floor mats are badass, though.

12-28-2012, 01:49 PM	#2 (permalink)
b1adesofcha0s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: MD Posts: 40,963 Drives: HypeTrain Choo Choo! Rep Power: 143	I think it's a good value for sure, but I don't think the build quality, fit, finish, etc. can compete with the likes of Infiniti/BMW. Also the Infiniti is much more of a luxury car than the gen coupe. No way it will ever be competitive with the 3 series because a lot of people buy 3 series for the BMW badge. It may sell well, but it certainly won't hurt BMW's sales. I think the real competitor for the 3 series is the Cadillac ATS. __________________ Project: b1adeZmobile (2009 370Z) \| Uprev Tune by AAM Competition \| Berk Exhaust Project: b1adeZmobile 2.0 (2014 C7 Z51) \| Corsa Xtreme Exhaust

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b1adesofcha0s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: MD Posts: 40,963 Drives: HypeTrain Choo Choo! Rep Power: 143	I think the Gen coupe vs G37 coupe comparison sort of parallels that of the Z vs Cayman. The Z can give you most of the performance for half the price, but the Cayman is more refined and better engineered. __________________ Project: b1adeZmobile (2009 370Z) \| Uprev Tune by AAM Competition \| Berk Exhaust Project: b1adeZmobile 2.0 (2014 C7 Z51) \| Corsa Xtreme Exhaust

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	And proof that Honda (present) is full of idiots, here is what they showed at the Tokyo Auto Salon: Hot Or Not? Honda Shows S2000 Modulo Climax Concept At Tokyo Auto Salon - WOT on Motor Trend What the fck is wrong with you, present Honda? b1adesofcha0s likes this. __________________ - Steve* Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	Check that shiz out from the back... even worse! The floor mats are badass, though. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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Waiz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 9,262 Drives: Z33 & GE8 Rep Power: 461	I wouldn't say it's being overlooked in SoCal but maybe in other parts of the country. I have known a few people with them and they had nothing but good things to say about them. You have to admit a Turbo 4-cylinder with Brembos in their Track-spec is a good value even if you don't respect the brand.