ZL1 beats new GT500

Iceagetlc · 06-19-2012, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by chris410

I do the same thing, I actually find that NOT speed shifting leads to better times in these cars. On the street, I do not even bother with 1st since it simply bakes tires even if I baby it. I think maybe when I put the drag radials on it will help. I am envious of your traction control, how well does it work on the street? Have you come across any ZL-1's? in my area I have only seen on and that was at a dealership (black ZL-1 which looked pretty nice)

Until this car I wasn't aware that this type of traction control even existed. Advancetrac even in first gear turns it into a freaking rocket. No power cutting felt at all.

MightyBobo · 06-19-2012, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Never

I hope the next Camaro gets not only lighters but smaller. The Camaro is a pretty big car. I know it needs the space for the engine etc but its also just looks big imo.

I still enjoy it in yellow though

Actually the LSX is a very tidy package. The bulk isnt due to that lol.

MightyBobo · 06-19-2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by chris410

First, YES...the ZL-1 beat the GT500 in this test however, consider the track layout. If you know anything about racing you'll quickly realize that there are "tight" and "open" tracks so the ZL-1 beating the GT500 on a tight track does not surprise me in the least. With the ZL-1 having the independent suspension I would expect it to beat out the GT500 in handling (tight or open track). Keep in mind, while the GT500 can handle and handle well, let's be honest, the car was designed for 1/4 and higher speed tracks. I would not take a GT500 and try to run tight tracks and given the ZL-1's suspension again...it would not surprise me to see it beat out the GT500 on a more open track however, I would expect the result to be pretty close.

Of course, from a roll, 0-60, 1/4, 1/8, or any other straight line race the GT500 will easily walk a ZL-1. Both are great cars so as a GT500 owner the competition is welcome. Keep in mind that the driver plays a major role as well. A lot of people see what some experienced drivers can do and reality hits when they go to a trackday and end up in the grass or run the 1/4 mile and find themselves slower than expected.

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Anything with less corners and the GT500 would win, I have no doubt. Moar corners, the ZL1 should emerge triumphant.
Gobs of power can be hard to argue against.

Like I said.

They are both great cars. I just find it impressive none the less that the Camaro even was able to pull it out - 80HP and 300 lbs is significant, regardless. GM did their handling homework, you have to give it to them.

shadoquad · 06-19-2012, 12:39 PM

I'd be so embarrassed if I was driving a GT500 right now. Oh my god, what a pedestrian and slow grocery getter it is.

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MightyBobo · 06-19-2012, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

I'd be so embarrassed if I was driving a GT500 right now. Oh my god, what a pedestrian and slow grocery getter it is.

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If only they could soar with the Eagles, and have gotten a ZL-1 instead...

Never · 06-19-2012, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

If only they could soar with the Eagles, and have gotten a ZL-1 instead...

Or a Prius!

It will slow be interesting with the new Vette coming does some of that new stuff some to the Camaro

MightyBobo · 06-19-2012, 01:57 PM

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Or a Prius!

It will slow be interesting with the new Vette coming does some of that new stuff some to the Camaro

The motor will, for sure.

chris410 · 06-19-2012, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

I'd be so embarrassed if I was driving a GT500 right now. Oh my god, what a pedestrian and slow grocery getter it is.

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No kidding...first thing I'm doing when I get home is setting mine on fire!

All kidding aside, I love my GT500 and I could have bought a GTR OR a ZL-1 since money was not an issue. I went with the GT500 because while it is not the fastest it is a lot of fun to drive and well...I've always loved mustangs so it was an easy choice. I like the ZL-1 but not enough to buy it and the GTR is simply a BEAST and overall out performs the GT500 and ZL-1 easily in ANY category but again...I'm not looking to race the car so the daily "fun" factor IMO was higher with the GT500 since it is a manual VS automatic. Problem I have with the GTR is it's too good and does too much for you. Again, when it comes to raw performance few cars can match the GTR so, I'll always hold the car in very high esteem and have zero issues accepting the fact that it can stomp a mudhole in every aspect. Hum...losing to a GTR...not thrilled but then again unless you're in a 911 turbo S or a bugatti...well...it's no surprise!

chris410 · 06-19-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Like I said.

They are both great cars. I just find it impressive none the less that the Camaro even was able to pull it out - 80HP and 300 lbs is significant, regardless. GM did their handling homework, you have to give it to them.

I fully agree with you but the ZL-1 being superior when it comes to handling does not surprise me, road course equalizes HP, same thing happened when I raced motorcycles...I was on a bone stock 05 R6 yet, I was easily beating guys on newer bikes with plenty of upgrades because when the road curves...skill becomes a bigger factor. Same goes with cars but not as much as a bike since rider counts for far more on a bike than in a car. Well, that and it takes bigger balls to go fast on a bike because if you make a mistake...the consequences are far greater (trust me I know lol) Even so, a person in a fast car who doesn't know the lines on a course or cannot figure out brake points and fast apex points will lose out to the guy in a slower car who can drive.

Unless they are in a GTR

While the ZL-1 has the edge on a road course even with 80HP less, put a good driver in a GT500 and I'm sure the GT500 will end up ahead. Again, I would expect the ZL-1 to out handle a GT500, afterall it is no slouch by any means and what I said about a road course is true for a 1/4 mile...put a crappy driver in the GT500 and they'll lose against someone who can run through gears and knows how to launch a ZL-1.

IMO...between the ZL-1 and the GT500 I view them as being nearly identical unless you are racing from a roll where skill is far less required when it comes to going fast. Both great cars so I'd say buy the one you like because you really can't go wrong with either one.

Nismo89 · 06-19-2012, 02:52 PM

just goes to show you if a car is tuned and Set up the 'Right' way, the possibilities are unlimited as to what it can accomplish ( to an extent)

Never · 06-19-2012, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

The motor will, for sure.

Can't wait to see what the new Vette has to offer

MightyBobo · 06-19-2012, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Never

Can't wait to see what the new Vette has to offer

I BELIEVE it's going down to a 5.0 or 5.3L...something like that.

m4a1mustang · 06-19-2012, 03:47 PM

Isn't it going OHC too?

MightyBobo · 06-19-2012, 04:21 PM

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Isn't it going OHC too?

Shrug, dont know. Honestly havent been following it much. I like to save the surprise :-p

Never · 06-19-2012, 05:57 PM

I hope it's something special

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