ZL1 beats new GT500

m4a1mustang · 06-19-2012, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

This might change with the redesigned and SRA free mustang in 2 years.

I'm sure it will, considering the next gen Mustang will probably be 1000 lbs lighter than the Camaro.

theDreamer · 06-19-2012, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I'm sure it will, considering the next gen Mustang will probably be 1000 lbs lighter than the Camaro.

So it will weight 4000lbs then?

Congrats to GM on the victory, still waiting to see more track results and tests. These two will definitely be so fun comparisons on different tracks, both ring & straight line.

MightyBobo · 06-19-2012, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

So it will weight 4000lbs then?

Congrats to GM on the victory, still waiting to see more track results and tests. These two will definitely be so fun comparisons on different tracks, both ring & straight line.

Anything with less corners and the GT500 would win, I have no doubt. Moar corners, the ZL1 should emerge triumphant.

Gobs of power can be hard to argue against.

m4a1mustang · 06-19-2012, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Lots of rumors the next-gen Camaro will be a radical change too (read, smaller and lighter). If it is, I MAY consider going back to ZE FATHERLAND that is GM.

I think GM knows that if they DON'T make the Camaro significantly lighter, it's game-over against the next-gen Moosestang.

Apparently the Dodge people are trying to put the Challenger on a diet so it can compete with the Mustang/Camaro as well.

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Anything with less corners and the GT500 would win, I have no doubt. Moar corners, the ZL1 should emerge triumphant.

Gobs of power can be hard to argue against.

Most likely.

MightyBobo · 06-19-2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by chris410

First, YES...the ZL-1 beat the GT500 in this test however, consider the track layout. If you know anything about racing you'll quickly realize that there are "tight" and "open" tracks so the ZL-1 beating the GT500 on a tight track does not surprise me in the least. With the ZL-1 having the independent suspension I would expect it to beat out the GT500 in handling (tight or open track). Keep in mind, while the GT500 can handle and handle well, let's be honest, the car was designed for 1/4 and higher speed tracks. I would not take a GT500 and try to run tight tracks and given the ZL-1's suspension again...it would not surprise me to see it beat out the GT500 on a more open track however, I would expect the result to be pretty close.

Of course, from a roll, 0-60, 1/4, 1/8, or any other straight line race the GT500 will easily walk a ZL-1. Both are great cars so as a GT500 owner the competition is welcome. Keep in mind that the driver plays a major role as well. A lot of people see what some experienced drivers can do and reality hits when they go to a trackday and end up in the grass or run the 1/4 mile and find themselves slower than expected.

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Anything with less corners and the GT500 would win, I have no doubt. Moar corners, the ZL1 should emerge triumphant.
Gobs of power can be hard to argue against.

Like I said.

They are both great cars. I just find it impressive none the less that the Camaro even was able to pull it out - 80HP and 300 lbs is significant, regardless. GM did their handling homework, you have to give it to them.

chris410 · 06-19-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Like I said.

They are both great cars. I just find it impressive none the less that the Camaro even was able to pull it out - 80HP and 300 lbs is significant, regardless. GM did their handling homework, you have to give it to them.

I fully agree with you but the ZL-1 being superior when it comes to handling does not surprise me, road course equalizes HP, same thing happened when I raced motorcycles...I was on a bone stock 05 R6 yet, I was easily beating guys on newer bikes with plenty of upgrades because when the road curves...skill becomes a bigger factor. Same goes with cars but not as much as a bike since rider counts for far more on a bike than in a car. Well, that and it takes bigger balls to go fast on a bike because if you make a mistake...the consequences are far greater (trust me I know lol) Even so, a person in a fast car who doesn't know the lines on a course or cannot figure out brake points and fast apex points will lose out to the guy in a slower car who can drive.

Unless they are in a GTR

While the ZL-1 has the edge on a road course even with 80HP less, put a good driver in a GT500 and I'm sure the GT500 will end up ahead. Again, I would expect the ZL-1 to out handle a GT500, afterall it is no slouch by any means and what I said about a road course is true for a 1/4 mile...put a crappy driver in the GT500 and they'll lose against someone who can run through gears and knows how to launch a ZL-1.

IMO...between the ZL-1 and the GT500 I view them as being nearly identical unless you are racing from a roll where skill is far less required when it comes to going fast. Both great cars so I'd say buy the one you like because you really can't go wrong with either one.

MightyBobo · 06-19-2012, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I'm sure it will, considering the next gen Mustang will probably be 1000 lbs lighter than the Camaro.

Lots of rumors the next-gen Camaro will be a radical change too (read, smaller and lighter). If it is, I MAY consider going back to ZE FATHERLAND that is GM.

I think GM knows that if they DON'T make the Camaro significantly lighter, it's game-over against the next-gen Moosestang.

b1adesofcha0s · 06-19-2012, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Lots of rumors the next-gen Camaro will be a radical change too (read, smaller and lighter). If it is, I MAY consider going back to ZE FATHERLAND that is GM.

I think GM knows that if they DON'T make the Camaro significantly lighter, it's game-over against the next-gen Moosestang.

I can already picture the e-arguing with Steve and his next gen Mustang happening now......

Isamu · 06-19-2012, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

I can already picture the e-arguing with Steve and his next gen Mustang happening now......

fvcking fan boi!

mjd77 · 06-22-2012, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Lots of rumors the next-gen Camaro will be a radical change too (read, smaller and lighter). If it is, I MAY consider going back to ZE FATHERLAND that is GM.

I think GM knows that if they DON'T make the Camaro significantly lighter, it's game-over against the next-gen Moosestang.

It was definitely in one of the car magazines that both the next generation Mustang and Camaro will be losing significant weight.

Shamu · 06-20-2012, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I'm sure it will, considering the next gen Mustang will probably be 1000 lbs lighter than the Camaro.

Camaro is also slated to move to smaller/lighter GM Alpha platform in 2014. Shared with new smaller Caddilac sports coupe. Same size as. A BMW 3 series. Camaro will have even shorter wheelbase according to industry rags. Should be interesting . But one thing for sure hold onto your big ole "wallowing" solid axle Mustangs as this will be end of an era. They are bound for classic status.

Everyone is downsizing in 2014/2015.

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