Camaro ZL1 Thoughts/News

frost

Better how?

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370z OG

FL 4Motion

more hp and tq, 200mph top speed, i think a bit lighter weight, probably not much tho.

Subjective, the 'stang interior is the best out of the pony cars.

Red370

if its priced similarly, the 13' GT500 will most likely beat it performance wise in every respect, better deal IMHO, I mean, 650hp and 600 ft/lbs on a bulletproof block with unlimited mod potential is pretty damn hard to beat.

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2011 Mustang 5.0 | 3.55's | Lethal Performance off road H-Pipe | Magnaflow Muffler Delete | JLT CAI/Bama tuned 417whp/ 404 ft/lbs

6MT

If you like straight-line speed. Too big and clumsy to be worthwhile on windy roads IMHO. Plus, build quality... well you know... it's a G.M..

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Andrew

2009 370Z Sport/Touring 6MT sold
2013 Honda Civic Si coupe D/D

GaleForce

To be fair, it is being built in the #1 plant for quality and productivity in North America. The initial quality is there.

What worries me is the after purchase service. GM service is horrible. For me after sales service is one of the major factors in my decision when buying a new car. Even with an employee discount, it's not worth the headache I get from GM service to be bothered with their cars.

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sboden

You didn't read the Motor Trend head to head between the Boss and the ZL1. It beat the Boss in all categories except price. The ZL1 with the weight handles pretty darn good. GM did a very good job on it. Lots of people have knocked GM's reliability. It is mostly a thing of the past. I did not own a domestic vehicle from 93 to 05. I leased all my vehicles, so in that time frame I drove a lot of different non domestic brands: Volvo, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Infiniti, and Honda to name some of them. Since 05 I've drove 1 Dodge (Magnum with Hemi), 1 Saturn (Sky Redline), 2 GMC's (Acadia, Terrain both wife's cars). The only issue I've had with anything other than the Sky was a Nav issue with the Terrain which is Pioneer's fault. GM replaced the head unit with no problem. The Sky had several issues but was also a first year release. I guess what I'm saying is I've had no more issues with the domestic vehicles than I had with the non domestic vehicles. People need to move on.

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09 Monterey Blue 370Z Sport/Tour, Takeda Shorties, Blk Nismo Wheels, Blk Painted Top/Exhaust cut out, Invidia Gemini CBE, Southbend Stage 2 clutch, Lite weight flywheel, Zspeed HD CSC, flat black headlights. Previously owned 03 G35 Coupe 6MT and Volvo C30 R Design.

6MT

Point taken. But I will never defend GM's build quality. And for that reason, I'll never buy another GM again. To each their own.

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Andrew

2009 370Z Sport/Touring 6MT sold
2013 Honda Civic Si coupe D/D

Red370

That comparo made ZERO sense to me. Of course a car with 130hp more would pull ahead in the straights. The best comparo will be when it competes with the GT500 which is in the ZL1's price/class range. I've heard that Ford has tweaked the suspension up a bit (electronically adjustable Bilstein yada yada yada), the SLA complaint is null and void. Have you seen the new GT500 btw? Looks waaaay more impressive IMHO.

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sboden

Yea, I've seen it. In another post on this thread I said I'd pick the looks of the mustang over the ZL1. I'm more or less saying the ZL1 is also a car that handles well. Look at the times for the weight. I'll wait and see if the 2013 GT500 improves enough in the handling department.

I also agree with another poster that the Mustang has improved more than any other car. I didn't own domestic for many years because they were an inferior product. They no longer are. I'll look at them equally with the imports. I do NOT have brand loyalty. I buy based upon what emotionally moves me whether it be Nissan, GM, Ford, Toyota, Subie and so on. In this case the Mustang emotionally moves me more than the ZL1. We all have our opinions.

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09 Monterey Blue 370Z Sport/Tour, Takeda Shorties, Blk Nismo Wheels, Blk Painted Top/Exhaust cut out, Invidia Gemini CBE, Southbend Stage 2 clutch, Lite weight flywheel, Zspeed HD CSC, flat black headlights. Previously owned 03 G35 Coupe 6MT and Volvo C30 R Design.