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Originally Posted by 6MT If you like straight-line speed. Too big and clumsy to be worthwhile on windy roads IMHO. Plus, build quality... well you know... it's a G.M.. You

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If you like straight-line speed. Too big and clumsy to be worthwhile on windy roads IMHO. Plus, build quality... well you know... it's a G.M..
You didn't read the Motor Trend head to head between the Boss and the ZL1. It beat the Boss in all categories except price. The ZL1 with the weight handles pretty darn good. GM did a very good job on it. Lots of people have knocked GM's reliability. It is mostly a thing of the past. I did not own a domestic vehicle from 93 to 05. I leased all my vehicles, so in that time frame I drove a lot of different non domestic brands: Volvo, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Infiniti, and Honda to name some of them. Since 05 I've drove 1 Dodge (Magnum with Hemi), 1 Saturn (Sky Redline), 2 GMC's (Acadia, Terrain both wife's cars). The only issue I've had with anything other than the Sky was a Nav issue with the Terrain which is Pioneer's fault. GM replaced the head unit with no problem. The Sky had several issues but was also a first year release. I guess what I'm saying is I've had no more issues with the domestic vehicles than I had with the non domestic vehicles. People need to move on.
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You didn't read the Motor Trend head to head between the Boss and the ZL1. It beat the Boss in all categories except price. The ZL1 with the weight handles pretty darn good. GM did a very good job on it. Lots of people have knocked GM's reliability. It is mostly a thing of the past. I did not own a domestic vehicle from 93 to 05. I leased all my vehicles, so in that time frame I drove a lot of different non domestic brands: Volvo, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Infiniti, and Honda to name some of them. Since 05 I've drove 1 Dodge (Magnum with Hemi), 1 Saturn (Sky Redline), 2 GMC's (Acadia, Terrain both wife's cars). The only issue I've had with anything other than the Sky was a Nav issue with the Terrain which is Pioneer's fault. GM replaced the head unit with no problem. The Sky had several issues but was also a first year release. I guess what I'm saying is I've had no more issues with the domestic vehicles than I had with the non domestic vehicles. People need to move on.
Point taken. But I will never defend GM's build quality. And for that reason, I'll never buy another GM again. To each their own.
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You didn't read the Motor Trend head to head between the Boss and the ZL1. It beat the Boss in all categories except price. The ZL1 with the weight handles pretty darn good. GM did a very good job on it. Lots of people have knocked GM's reliability. It is mostly a thing of the past. I did not own a domestic vehicle from 93 to 05. I leased all my vehicles, so in that time frame I drove a lot of different non domestic brands: Volvo, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Infiniti, and Honda to name some of them. Since 05 I've drove 1 Dodge (Magnum with Hemi), 1 Saturn (Sky Redline), 2 GMC's (Acadia, Terrain both wife's cars). The only issue I've had with anything other than the Sky was a Nav issue with the Terrain which is Pioneer's fault. GM replaced the head unit with no problem. The Sky had several issues but was also a first year release. I guess what I'm saying is I've had no more issues with the domestic vehicles than I had with the non domestic vehicles. People need to move on.
That comparo made ZERO sense to me. Of course a car with 130hp more would pull ahead in the straights. The best comparo will be when it competes with the GT500 which is in the ZL1's price/class range. I've heard that Ford has tweaked the suspension up a bit (electronically adjustable Bilstein yada yada yada), the SLA complaint is null and void. Have you seen the new GT500 btw? Looks waaaay more impressive IMHO.
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That comparo made ZERO sense to me. Of course a car with 130hp more would pull ahead in the straights. The best comparo will be when it competes with the GT500 which is in the ZL1's price/class range. I've heard that Ford has tweaked the suspension up a bit (electronically adjustable Bilstein yada yada yada), the SLA complaint is null and void. Have you seen the new GT500 btw? Looks waaaay more impressive IMHO.
Yea, I've seen it. In another post on this thread I said I'd pick the looks of the mustang over the ZL1. I'm more or less saying the ZL1 is also a car that handles well. Look at the times for the weight. I'll wait and see if the 2013 GT500 improves enough in the handling department.

I also agree with another poster that the Mustang has improved more than any other car. I didn't own domestic for many years because they were an inferior product. They no longer are. I'll look at them equally with the imports. I do NOT have brand loyalty. I buy based upon what emotionally moves me whether it be Nissan, GM, Ford, Toyota, Subie and so on. In this case the Mustang emotionally moves me more than the ZL1. We all have our opinions.
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