Will you trade for a Toyota 86/Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ?

Notsud 13 · 12-12-2011, 01:05 PM

i just read up on the thread regarding FIed 370zs on the track. if heat issues cant be resolved (for a feasible amount), then this car might be a good option for those that want to track a FIed RWD car. If the turbo versions output is somewhere around 260hp, with a few bolt-ons and a good tune we should be able to see 350hp+ in a lightweight RWD car.

onzedge · 12-12-2011, 01:35 PM

I am not sure if this is a re-post, but:

2013 Scion FR-S First Drive - Motor Trend

Da.Menace · 12-12-2011, 04:26 PM

Its another tier compared to 370Z. It's like comparing Apples with Oranges.
This, is more like a replacement for those who loves to drive a S13/S14, a lightweight RWD ~200HP car.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-12-2011, 05:43 PM

Motor Trend wrote
" So how well does all that exhaustive collaborative engineering translate to a near-production, U.S.-spec 2013 Scion FR-S? Let me put it this way: a whole lot of budget-minded sports cars hitting the streets and autocross courses today should be worried- that means you, Honda CR-Z, Mazda RX-8, Hyundai Genesis Coupe, Mazda MX-5, Honda Civic Si, and even the Nissan 370Z."

I hope Scion and motor enthusiasts read that key word "AUTOCROSS".

For some ignorant enthusiasts, they give a car one compliment and heads go crazy with it. Next thing you know every wannabe with a new scion wants to pull up next to a G and Z and rev up there anemic engines.
Its hard when new sporty four bangers come out and you drive an established car like the Z or others that have been doing it concurrently. Everybody suddenly wants a street race. Very corny.

Footloose301 · 12-12-2011, 06:02 PM

Yep. BRZ is not on the same level as our 370Z

brucelidat · 12-12-2011, 06:24 PM

Wonder how much FI kits will cost for this. They might be able to get Z like numbers that way for less than the cost of a Z depending on the FI costs. Of course, they will hit a ceiling that the Z can go past because of our displacement. Either way, never hurts to have more fun cars on the market, even if they are a lower tier. Though you might get a lot more young guys driving semi sports cars like douches though. I would prefer if it was released as a Toyota and not a Scion also.

Notsud 13 · 12-12-2011, 06:33 PM

theres nothing wrong with being in a lower tier....anyone remember seeing the video of the b16 vtec orange austin mini racing ferraris, lambos and etc on a road course? i could care less about how luxurious a sports car is. i bought my 370z to beat on and this is by far the "nicest" and most "luxurious" car ive owned.

onzedge · 12-12-2011, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Notsud 13

theres nothing wrong with being in a lower tier....anyone remember seeing the video of the b16 vtec orange austin mini racing ferraris, lambos and etc on a road course? i could care less about how luxurious a sports car is. i bought my 370z to beat on and this is by far the "nicest" and most "luxurious" car ive owned.

Red__Zed · 12-12-2011, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brucelidat

Wonder how much FI kits will cost for this. They might be able to get Z like numbers that way for less than the cost of a Z depending on the FI costs. .

I dunno. Flow numbers are far better on the FA than the VQ. Only time will tell.

They've already got a mule running 500whp on stock internals (even at the stock compression

) reliably. I'd be willing to bet the FA handles 550whp just as well as well as, if not better than, the VQ.

brucelidat · 12-12-2011, 06:48 PM

I added the lower tier comment to appease the Z community, ha. I don't plant o go FI and the car is fast enough for me (for now, I think...) so max HP numbers and FI aren't in my plans, just chiming in my thoughts, though they are ignorant newbie ones. Maybe there will be some FI Scion FRS's smoking me in a few years. Oh well, I'm not a street racer or anything. I still think the Z looks much nicer and I am sure there will be some monstrous Z builds out there as well.

Red__Zed · 12-12-2011, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brucelidat

I added the lower tier comment to appease the Z community, ha. I don't plant o go FI and the car is fast enough for me (for now, I think...) so max HP numbers and FI aren't in my plans, just chiming in my thoughts, though they are ignorant newbie ones.

for sure. fun to check out the details on the FA build. They seriously over-ported the engine, sacrificing low end torque in stock form for great flow under boost. Definite nod to either factory support for boost, or support for the aftermarket community...or both

Quote:

Maybe there will be some FI Scion FRS's smoking me in a few years. Oh well, I'm not a street racer or anything. I still think the Z looks much nicer and I am sure there will be some monstrous Z builds out there as well.

definitely agree the Z looks better. Only time will tell how each motor handles big builds.

theDreamer · 12-12-2011, 07:53 PM

If we are 'guessing' I would say the engine can get to 420-440whp on stock block, but for a car that weighs under 3k that will be nice especially if it can all be balanced. Low engine mount, suspension and wider tires and the car could be great.

KaienZ34 · 12-12-2011, 09:28 PM

If the car does come in at 2800 pounds or so. Then mod it up to 300+hp would be a kickin little DD.

Forrest · 12-12-2011, 10:18 PM

If you have 25K to spend and a Z is not a option.
Would you really buy FRS, BRZ over a 2013 Gen coup with 271hp,274tq?

RWD, Affordable, turbo 4 with decent power and probably good MPG. New gen coupe has the right ingredients for sales.

Red__Zed · 12-12-2011, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forrest

If you have 25K to spend and a Z is not a option.
Would you really buy FRS, BRZ over a 2013 Gen coup with 271hp,274tq?

RWD, Affordable, turbo 4 with decent power and probably good MPG. New gen coupe has the right ingredients for sales.

not to mention dramatically better dynamic in the BRZ...

12-12-2011, 01:35 PM	#62 (permalink)
onzedge A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Battle Lake MN Age: 63 Posts: 183,964 Drives: 370Z 240Z Rep Power: 2684736	I am not sure if this is a re-post, but: 2013 Scion FR-S First Drive - Motor Trend __________________ Koni\|Swift\|Michelin\|Motordyne\|Berk\|RJM Performance\|Gates\|SPL\|Motul\|Technafit\|Ate Super Blue\|Hawk Tommy Kaira\|Momo\|Optima\|Hella\|Hotchkis\|Red Line\|ZSpeed\|Stillen\|B&M\|H&R

12-12-2011, 04:26 PM	#63 (permalink)
Da.Menace Track Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 698 Drives: people crazy Rep Power: 16	Its another tier compared to 370Z. It's like comparing Apples with Oranges. This, is more like a replacement for those who loves to drive a S13/S14, a lightweight RWD ~200HP car. __________________ Brembo :: H&R :: KW :: SPC :: Stillen

12-12-2011, 06:02 PM	#65 (permalink)
Footloose301 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 2,659 Drives: 40th Rep Power: 21	Yep. BRZ is not on the same level as our 370Z __________________ 2010 40th Anniversary 370Z

12-12-2011, 06:24 PM	#66 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 30	Wonder how much FI kits will cost for this. They might be able to get Z like numbers that way for less than the cost of a Z depending on the FI costs. Of course, they will hit a ceiling that the Z can go past because of our displacement. Either way, never hurts to have more fun cars on the market, even if they are a lower tier. Though you might get a lot more young guys driving semi sports cars like douches though. I would prefer if it was released as a Toyota and not a Scion also. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

12-12-2011, 06:48 PM	#70 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 30	I added the lower tier comment to appease the Z community, ha. I don't plant o go FI and the car is fast enough for me (for now, I think...) so max HP numbers and FI aren't in my plans, just chiming in my thoughts, though they are ignorant newbie ones. Maybe there will be some FI Scion FRS's smoking me in a few years. Oh well, I'm not a street racer or anything. I still think the Z looks much nicer and I am sure there will be some monstrous Z builds out there as well. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

12-12-2011, 01:05 PM	#61 (permalink)
Notsud 13 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: SoCal Posts: 353 Drives: '09 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 13	i just read up on the thread regarding FIed 370zs on the track. if heat issues cant be resolved (for a feasible amount), then this car might be a good option for those that want to track a FIed RWD car. If the turbo versions output is somewhere around 260hp, with a few bolt-ons and a good tune we should be able to see 350hp+ in a lightweight RWD car.

12-12-2011, 05:43 PM	#64 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14857	Motor Trend wrote " So how well does all that exhaustive collaborative engineering translate to a near-production, U.S.-spec 2013 Scion FR-S? Let me put it this way: a whole lot of budget-minded sports cars hitting the streets and autocross courses today should be worried- that means you, Honda CR-Z, Mazda RX-8, Hyundai Genesis Coupe, Mazda MX-5, Honda Civic Si, and even the Nissan 370Z." I hope Scion and motor enthusiasts read that key word "AUTOCROSS". For some ignorant enthusiasts, they give a car one compliment and heads go crazy with it. Next thing you know every wannabe with a new scion wants to pull up next to a G and Z and rev up there anemic engines. Its hard when new sporty four bangers come out and you drive an established car like the Z or others that have been doing it concurrently. Everybody suddenly wants a street race. Very corny.

12-12-2011, 06:33 PM	#67 (permalink)
Notsud 13 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: SoCal Posts: 353 Drives: '09 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 13	theres nothing wrong with being in a lower tier....anyone remember seeing the video of the b16 vtec orange austin mini racing ferraris, lambos and etc on a road course? i could care less about how luxurious a sports car is. i bought my 370z to beat on and this is by far the "nicest" and most "luxurious" car ive owned.

12-12-2011, 07:53 PM	#72 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4210	If we are 'guessing' I would say the engine can get to 420-440whp on stock block, but for a car that weighs under 3k that will be nice especially if it can all be balanced. Low engine mount, suspension and wider tires and the car could be great. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

12-12-2011, 09:28 PM	#73 (permalink)
KaienZ34 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: LA. not L.a. Posts: 21,652 Drives: Z34 Tour/Sport Rep Power: 177	If the car does come in at 2800 pounds or so. Then mod it up to 300+hp would be a kickin little DD. __________________ *"These Violent Delights Have Violent Ends"* http://www.the370z.com/members/kaienz34-albums-z34.html

12-12-2011, 10:18 PM	#74 (permalink)
Forrest Track Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: california 707! Posts: 677 Drives: 09 370z Blk 6mt sprt Rep Power: 258	If you have 25K to spend and a Z is not a option. Would you really buy FRS, BRZ over a 2013 Gen coup with 271hp,274tq? RWD, Affordable, turbo 4 with decent power and probably good MPG. New gen coupe has the right ingredients for sales. __________________ my pictures http://www.the370z.com/members/forrest-albums-370z.html

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