The horsepower race has gone nuclear: 2013 GT500

Lemers · 06-07-2012, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

If its a good IRS setup it can be advantageous. If they get it right I welcome it. But I'd always take a good SRA over a mediocre IRS setup.

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So should I get the 2013 GT500 or the IRS equipped GT?

m4a1mustang · 06-08-2012, 04:10 AM

I'd get a 13 if you like it. You can always trade.

No telling what the irs car will look like.

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Lemers · 06-08-2012, 08:32 AM

You owned both a 370z and Mustang

Is the difference between the IRS and SRA really that much of a difference?

m4a1mustang · 06-08-2012, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemers

You owned both a 370z and Mustang

Is the difference between the IRS and SRA really that much of a difference?

No.

Lemers · 06-08-2012, 08:41 AM

I've seen your pics on the dragon. Even there you don't miss IRS?

m4a1mustang · 06-08-2012, 08:43 AM

Whether I ran the panhard bar setup or the watts link I never had issues with rear end composure over bumps and rough surfaces. And trust me, we have a lot of that to contend with here.

The Z's rear suspension has its own issues with dynamic toe and other things as do many of other cars. IRS does not just magically make a car better... it has to be good.

And if it's good, you've got the benefits of independent rear wheel control (doh), camber adjustment, *typically* better rear tire wear, etc. Ideally a good IRS setup will allow you to maximize contact patch moreso than an SRA, but again, it all depends on setup.

The Mustang is good and does just fine with an SRA. If you don't like the panhard arc you can get a Watts Link (I love mine) but I am definitely not left wanting IRS. My car handles bumps like a champ and hooks up really well. I'm happy with it.

But I definitely welcome the move to IRS. As long as it's a good one it gives us more options.

m4a1mustang · 06-08-2012, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemers

I've seen your pics on the dragon. Even there you don't miss IRS?

Not at all. The car is properly set up. It's got grip and it's got balance. IRS wouldn't necessarily make it any better or any worse. I was not left wanting.

b1adesofcha0s · 06-08-2012, 08:46 AM

So which cars around the price of ours or a step up actually have a good IRS setup?

m4a1mustang · 06-08-2012, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

So which cars around the price of ours or a step up actually have a good IRS setup?

Most of them. The Z's is good. Not saying it's not.

But it doesn't make as much of a difference in handling compared to the SRA on the Mustang as many people are brainwashed to believe.

The primary benefit to me with an IRS is less unsprung weight and the ability to run some rear camber. I'd love to run -1 or -1.5 rear camber on the Mustang.

b1adesofcha0s · 06-08-2012, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Most of them. The Z's is good. Not saying it's not.

But it doesn't make as much of a difference in handling compared to the SRA on the Mustang as many people are brainwashed to believe.

The primary benefit to me with an IRS is less unsprung weight and the ability to run some rear camber. I'd love to run -1 or -1.5 rear camber on the Mustang.

So the rear camber on the mustang is like 0?

m4a1mustang · 06-08-2012, 08:59 AM

Yep.

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Lemers · 06-08-2012, 09:16 AM

I'm just gonna wait for the car that isn't limited by physics

m4a1mustang · 06-08-2012, 09:20 AM

GTR isn't limited by physics.

Lemers · 06-08-2012, 09:25 AM

So a used GTR 2009 or 2010 or a 2013 Gt500?

m4a1mustang · 06-08-2012, 09:26 AM

Whatever you want, man!

06-08-2012, 04:10 AM	#722 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I'd get a 13 if you like it. You can always trade. No telling what the irs car will look like. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2 __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

06-08-2012, 08:32 AM	#723 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 52	You owned both a 370z and Mustang Is the difference between the IRS and SRA really that much of a difference? __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

06-08-2012, 08:41 AM	#725 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 52	I've seen your pics on the dragon. Even there you don't miss IRS? __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

06-08-2012, 08:43 AM	#726 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Whether I ran the panhard bar setup or the watts link I never had issues with rear end composure over bumps and rough surfaces. And trust me, we have a lot of that to contend with here. The Z's rear suspension has its own issues with dynamic toe and other things as do many of other cars. IRS does not just magically make a car better... it has to be good. And if it's good, you've got the benefits of independent rear wheel control (doh), camber adjustment, typically better rear tire wear, etc. Ideally a good IRS setup will allow you to maximize contact patch moreso than an SRA, but again, it all depends on setup. The Mustang is good and does just fine with an SRA. If you don't like the panhard arc you can get a Watts Link (I love mine) but I am definitely not left wanting IRS. My car handles bumps like a champ and hooks up really well. I'm happy with it. But I definitely welcome the move to IRS. As long as it's a good one it gives us more options. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

06-08-2012, 08:46 AM	#728 (permalink)
b1adesofcha0s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: MD Posts: 40,963 Drives: HypeTrain Choo Choo! Rep Power: 141	So which cars around the price of ours or a step up actually have a good IRS setup? __________________ Project: b1adeZmobile (2009 370Z) \| Uprev Tune by AAM Competition \| Berk Exhaust Project: b1adeZmobile 2.0 (2014 C7 Z51) \| Corsa Xtreme Exhaust

06-08-2012, 08:59 AM	#731 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Yep. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2 __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

06-08-2012, 09:16 AM	#732 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 52	I'm just gonna wait for the car that isn't limited by physics __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

06-08-2012, 09:20 AM	#733 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	GTR isn't limited by physics. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

06-08-2012, 09:25 AM	#734 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 52	So a used GTR 2009 or 2010 or a 2013 Gt500? __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

06-08-2012, 09:26 AM	#735 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Whatever you want, man! __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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