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https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/g...brid-electric/ Love that they scoff at electrification. Bring sports cars back to optimum feedback and responsiveness, the natural way. There's new materials and fibers we can use to increase responsiveness

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Old 11-04-2019, 04:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/g...brid-electric/

Love that they scoff at electrification. Bring sports cars back to optimum feedback and responsiveness, the natural way.
There's new materials and fibers we can use to increase responsiveness instead of relying on electric steering. The old hydraulic units had a perfect balance of feel and maneuverability. I think we co.panies are going the wrong way with sports cars.
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nice article about doing it the old way, vs all this assisted stuff
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Love that they scoff at electrification. Bring sports cars back to optimum feedback and responsiveness, the natural way.
There's new materials and fibers we can use to increase responsiveness instead of relying on electric steering. The old hydraulic units had a perfect balance of feel and maneuverability. I think we co.panies are going the wrong way with sports cars.

They'll likely want $2,000,000+ for them, and if they ever get built, they will sell 3. And of those customers, only one will be able to drive it the way it is intended.

Where does it say that it won't rely on electric steering? Especially if it's a 3-pedal manual. Good luck getting to 125 MPH in 6.5 seconds in one of those without killing yourself!!! It cannot have those kind of numbers and give you real feedback. Go watch some Koenigsegg videos and realize that the whole thing needs to be fly-by-wire to compensate for how fast things happen at those kinds of speeds / accelerations.

I'll wait to see real performance numbers - except I doubt that this will ever be built.
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They'll likely want $2,000,000+ for them, and if they ever get built, they will sell 3. And of those customers, only one will be able to drive it the way it is intended.

Where does it say that it won't rely on electric steering? Especially if it's a 3-pedal manual. Good luck getting to 125 MPH in 6.5 seconds in one of those without killing yourself!!! It cannot have those kind of numbers and give you real feedback. Go watch some Koenigsegg videos and realize that the whole thing needs to be fly-by-wire to compensate for how fast things happen at those kinds of speeds / accelerations.

I'll wait to see real performance numbers - except I doubt that this will ever be built.
Well I'm just hoping for success. I didnt say the article said they would use electronic steering. That was just my opinion and a wish at the same time. You muffuckas love to argue. U know... pu$$y is a good stress reliever. Lol. Yall be too uptight. The f50, carrera and 959 did amazing things for their time.
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I think the term "enthusiast" needs to exclude people who buy outrageously expensive cars for status.
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A miata is an enthusiast car. This is a status symbol for the 1%.
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I beg to differ. I think this is where experimentation happens. Where limits are pushed because the endless budget can allow a group of engineers to try different scientific experiments with cars.

We benefit later...

An example of this were the RX 7, Supra, Mitsubishi 3000 gt and 300zx of the 90s. Most of that tech came from 80's Porsche, ferrari and lotus. As that tech becomes popular in the exotic world, normal engineers study those cars and either figure out how to make it affordable. And/or Market trends allow for expensive materials to become cheaper as they Find sensible ways to create a material. Like carbon fiber or certain polymers etc...

The whole market is an enthusiast market, from top to bottom. Inspiration is born through innovation and vice versa.
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There is no such thing as a budget hypercar.
Good, fast, cheap - pick any 2.

Cars of this type (and until recently, supercars) are sold almost exclusively to those who only want the cachet of owning the badge. And most are afraid to drive them, either because they cannot handle the car, or they don't want it to lose value by putting miles on the clock. That doesn't really describe a "sportscar enthusiast". Sounds more like a poser to me. Or an art aficionado.

Does the tech trickle down to the masses? Yes and no. Things like structural carbon fibre and drive-by-wire emanate from Formula 1 and super/hypercar design. But hybrid and electrification have been pushed up from the R&D for ordinary cars until they were deemed good enough to be in the 918 Spyder, P1, or LaFerrari and now KERS in F1.

The reason that this particular car is NOT an enthusiasts ride (and why it will not likely ever be built or sell) is because if its price tag, performance numbers, and the comment about it having a 3-pedal manual transmission (option). If you are buying for performance, you aren't getting a clutch pedal. If you are buying for the stick, you don't need to pay for that kind of performance. And if you want real feedback from a car, you don't get one that is tricked out to put down these kinds of numbers.

In short, a Spitfire or P-51D is an enthusiast's airplane. An F-35 is just simply an amazing jet fighter for the job. It doesn't come in a stick shift. LOL

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The whole market is an enthusiast market, from top to bottom. Inspiration is born through innovation and vice versa.
Agree for the most part. It is nice to see development like this. On the cutting edge. That is positive for all

I don't have a problem with innovation. I have a problem with innovation that is stifled by corporate greed.


An "enthusiast" didn't develop the Toyota Yaris or the Nissan Versa or the Honda Fit. Chalk those up to the bean-counters
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I don't have a problem with innovation. I have a problem with innovation that is stifled by corporate greed.


An "enthusiast" didn't develop the Toyota Yaris or the Nissan Versa or the Honda Fit. Chalk those up to the bean-counters
I meant whole in the sense of every sports segment. Didnt make myself clear... but yes you're right. The versa especially is a soulless uninteresting vehicle.
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I don't have a problem with innovation. I have a problem with innovation that is stifled by corporate greed.


An "enthusiast" didn't develop the Toyota Yaris or the Nissan Versa or the Honda Fit. Chalk those up to the bean-counters
Don’t you have a Fit?
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I don't want to talk about it...

I've put about 2K miles on the Fit this year. Put 15K on the Lexus
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