I'm in the minority who isn't into the whole crackle and pop sounds.

Race car, or legit powerful engine, cool. The Supra isn't a slouch, but I mean, it's a 3 liter I6.

I already scratch my head when I see Z owners going out of their way to do muffler deletes or get virtually brandless axle backs. Like, no offense. Car got louder, and is, unless you did FI, still slow in the grand scheme of things. I'm all for people who try to get actual good sound, though.

what if it was FI straight pipe?

:stirthepot:

Cars between, 4 and 5 second 60's are fast... very fast. Supra and Z fit that category. People get spoiled by knowing theres a bunch of 12 second quarter cars in the $50k range. But 13 second cars in the 40k range are respectable too. And they deserve to sound good. But that's just my opinion.

The Hyundai N is a great example of a four banger that sounds bad *** IMHO!

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Sub 10 second supra on stock turbos.

Says a lot about bmw power. Lol.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2...bo-138377.html

Yeah, but for how long?
Impressive, don't get me wrong.
But care to start a pool on what grenades first, and how many launches before it does? :rofl2:

Review the link on a gent who tore apart and assessed the engine. Its very strong and thats why Toyota bought it. This is not a weak motor overall and for tune-ability its quite adaptable. The Supra is a nice package stock as well. Im not sure what the heartburn is for people overall. People in general, have no credibility to post intense opinion on what is good or bad unless there is experience behind the wheel - I think we can all objectively agree on that.

Yes the experience of owners will be key in the long term, as well as long term press reviews. As if anyone here would turn down the chance to test it for a full day or even own one. I would not. Its new, its powerful and appears more than capable even with noisy buffeting lol :)

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Your steering might go? Your electronics may shut down but most BMW engines as a standalone are bulletproof. The issue with BMW engines they use cheap plastic hoses and wires that go to shyt fast. Replace those and you're good. In the case of the Supra. Toyota went through the engine and told BMW they had to replace all of that including using stronger metal components in certain areas.

I'm not a fan of BMW myself. But good Is good. No matter what my emotions about that companies philosophy is. Even broken clocks are right twice.

We can hope Toyota has the influence on anciliary items as you post above. Both my M235i and M2 have not been an issue and used daily. Reliable in the strict sense!

How many miles on the M2?

i would get rid of my nismo for the supra but no money

i always though the supra resembled the 2015+ nismo but it actually has real power and a nice stock exhaust

regardless i like my Z and will keep it till the wheels fall off

Lightly used supra for sale. $167,000. I hate greedy dealers. Fvck them!!

https://www.motor1.com/news/379687/t...markup-167000/

Who TF would pay $167K for a Supra?????????? REALLY??

They're out of their fking minds. :shakes head:

I'd totally be a sucker for this. Dream C8 turned into dream C8 Z06, and no idea how long out that's gonna be, so could very well imagine I could save and throw money elsewhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqMbVcJx6TM

*AND SOME VENTS ARE REAL. but lol they literally had to cut the door and made some super tight routing. I'm sure some air is better than none, but I have a hard time imagining that's really living up to a properly-engineered flow/cooling setup.
(8:35)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zH0qzHdW9I

I spent this past weekend participating in AZ NASA track days. Toyota had a both there and have partnered with NASA to showcase the Supra. Saturday was a media day for invited guests and Sunday they provided rides for those that were lucky enough to get signed up. I was number 1 on the list as I got to the track on Friday to off load my car.

I spent time speaking with one the reps and who also tracks the car. He let me set in the car and asked my about my impressions. I told him the car looks much better in person than in pictures and video. The cockpit is exceptional and driver inspiring. The visibility is as with most all sports cars. The front view is very good and the side mirrors are highly functional. The rearview view sucks! The car size is as described by some...a larger version of Toyota 86.

I was only in the car for three laps and the first lap was a warm up lap as the tires were cold as was the track. The driver was a former IMSA and World Challenge driver. The car performs as per all the hype. It is fast and nimble. It is torquey and gets the power to the ground effectively. The car was very stable through all the twisty parts. The car I was in had upgraded brakes, rotors and tires.

My final thoughts: The car performs as advertised and is the best of both worlds as a track car and daily driver. If you are over six foot you will need to watch your head getting in and out of the car. I am 6'1" and had difficulty getting into the car with my helmet on. I had to adjust the seat to lean back a bit to give me head clearance. I like the car but it does not excite me. I find it's styling as it seems soulless to me. Just my opinion as I know others love it. I think it is already on it's way to being the next s2000 but even more so to those who are not track rats and want a cheaper comfortable two seater.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...1e3167704f.jpg

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Nice review above^^^ - I find driving a car will bring out distinct feelings not found as passenger or outside, not in the car observer. The woman is pushing me to test it when we can - together :) Im glad she likes cars!

Right on...thanks and I agree. Maybe my opinion would be different if I had a chance to drive it. I think as a daily it would be awesome all things considered. I watched a review by Savage Geese and it is pretty much spot on.

I was thinking Savagegeese was going to hate the thing because more times than not he rides the negatives of any car quite a lot. He's probably got the best review on the car so far imo, especially since he's revisited it.

Major holdbacks against my interest is there's still some inflation/mark-up, and I can just tell local Supra owners probably think they're cooler than they are (just like 86 owners once did). It's petty, I do get mindful of car communities.

2020 Supra... first thoughts
 

It’s amazing how quickly the BMW Supra has become irrelevant and/or just OK. Since the Corvette C8 is coming, that means you can now get new discounted/slightly used C7’s for the price (or less) of a new Supra. I mean, there’s just no comparison. I’d take C7 over a Supra without even blinking.
Don’t know but seems to me that Toyota could’ve hit it out of the ballpark but all they did is made a better BRZ/86. Too little, too late IMHO.


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Which is probably one of the reasons Nissan has not introduced a successor to the 370Z. They are kind of "damned if you do, damned if you don't". It still sells practically as well as a new one would (give or take the initial blip on release), without the risk of creating something that people will find polarizing, or hitting the market at exactly the wrong time after all the reinvestment for R&D and re-tooling.

If Nissan can keep the price point on the Z to less than $50k and it have 400 hp they would be in the sweet spot.

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40k would be ideal.

I'm seeing them more, and more on the street. They definitely look better in person.

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I've come across a CPO Z06 at right under $60k USD. Apart from GM's shoddy body panel alignment, that is just so much more car for the money.

That being said, if my current budget was in $50-60k, I would be walking into a Toyota dealer just to see if something intangible does change my mind.

https://youtu.be/n3Wtx_uyyIw

The1 Toyota Supra is far from a success. Enthusiasts felt cheated. The car is plagued with BMW recalls. And outside of the sheetmetal, the suspension tune and an ECU remap for throttle, tq hp etc.... Toyota bears no footprint on this car.

The price was probably $7,000 too high for peoples expectations.

The black only interior was disappointing and not to mention the interior is identical to all BMW products.

To add insult to injury. Corvette knocked it out the park with an in house production of a true supercar for about $80k nicely equipped.
Or you can buy a $57k one size fits all supra.

The Z has the potential to eat the Supra alive. But Nissan has to do some revolutionary chassis work!!
Bring the Z chassis to 2020 standards. As well as the appropriate transmission. The supra at best sparked a JDM return, kinda. I think toyota shouldve brought out the RC with a really powerful turbo 6 and called it the supra. I guess this car made no sense to enthusiasts.

It's crazy cuz Texas is a sports car crazy state. We sell half the sports cars in the nation here. But I've yet to see a Supra in the wild. I'd call that a fail.

^^^Agreed! I have seen one in Las Vegas and Vegas is a target rich sportscar city.

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I've not seen one out in the wild either.

I saw one on the freeway last week. Wasnt impressed, by its looks anyway.

i would need to sit in it to see how i fit

but if it had a manual transmission i'd be looking very, very hard at it

especially after seeing the Varis widebody for it

I saw my first one and it was extremely sexy.

Apparently I did pay much more than $50k for a Launch Edition #244 in Nocturnal Black. While the horsepower number is close to that of the 370Z, torque is a different story.

In my case, the whole deal turned very bitter. The car was bought back by Toyota (i.e. it was a lemon) earlier this week.

https://i.imgur.com/pOrEl2kr.jpg

What was wrong with it?

It’s funny bc I did see a red one but it still had dealer listed on the license plate which makes me think it wasn’t a customers car. I still like them to be honest.

I think you’ll get a kick out of this since you live in teh DFW area. A salesman was posting a yellow on AT MSRP on the Frisco/Little Elm FB Marketplace - NO catch, totally legit etc etc. which got me thinking - I guess they aren’t selling like I thought they would. It did make me wonder and consider taking a look but couldn’t stomach a $800/mo for a car payment and that is including me trading in my current Z and adding cash.

Did anyone else get a limited edition poster? I was able to request one.

What happened POSVET?, I am super curious.

The Supra looks like a girls car in person. It is so sad. Whenever I see one I say, get a real men car.

It's a long story, basically it has multiple electronic problems involving the Body Domain Controller from the beginning (it would not come out of transport mode). Toyota did not know how to repair the problem and the car sat for months without a clear indication if it could even be repaired.

As the cars age, other types of problems start to show up. Some of them have no clear solution or part availability. The corporate attitude, shown to me by Toyota and Toyota Customer Care (not the selling dealer, they have been great), left a bitter after taste.

It's a great car otherwise, it's the electronics that ruin the car.

It wasnt a C8 :yum: