2020 Supra... first thoughts
 

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...ra-price-2020/

Starting at $50K... same HP as the Z... am I missing something? Would you pay that for this car?

Personal opinion? It's ugly, lol.
I didn't pay MSRP for my Nismo. No way I'm paying that kind of money for a BMW/Toyota mash-up. I had a Z3 MRoadster, back in the day, and it was a fun car, but I've moved on. The 370 is where I want to stay.


Kirk B.

funny, my wife asked me this weekend what car would i be thinking of next. this of course wouldn't be happening for a few years. i said either a newer 370z or the new supra. i had a supra turbo, '89 i think, years ago and loved it. my fave car since the z. i wouldn't and couldn't buy either new, but a used one knocking off 10-15k would be right up my alley. looks like direct competition for the z.

Sure would. It's leaps and bounds ahead of the Z in almost every way. I'm guessing with what Z people pay for an exhaust, they'll be able to push 500hp to the wheels and actually have torque. Though I'd wait to see what the refresh looks like. Buying the first year of a car is pretty much never a good idea.

$50k is affordable to some people.

its mainly a BMW, its built in Austria I read,,I had a BMW 850 years agos, every part is $1200, key, wipers, switch, etc..never again

Keep this BRZ/FRS/GT86 topic in the Other Vehicles section. LOL

A whole lotta "meh." I'm sure it's a great car, but it will be a failure. It's just not a substantial step up from what's already out there. There is no "wow" factor.

Very few people are willing to pay $60K plus on an impractical 2 seater sports coupe --- and "yes" after tax license and registration etc., these will be $60K cars. Millennials won't buy them. The BRZ sold because it was cheap.

A Supra just isn't that much of a status car. I suspect most people would rather buy a lightly used Porsche or American Muscle such as the Camero ZL1 etc.

Lol.


Kirk B.

Camaro ffs but GT350 any day over supra at this price range

I'm guessing the price, being automatic, and style will not make this car a must have for those supra enthusiasts. Personally, I'd prefer an older supra based off style and well price.. I'd rather buy an Audi, Q60, or F-Type Jag

New Toyota Supra
 

When you look at the supra from the side it has the exact same windows, curve and hatch like the 370z. Seriously looks like a Z with a different front and back fascia.

Actually it has the same aesthetics as the previous generation Z4 M coupe. It has "similarities" to the 370Z.

God, you're older than I thought.


The interior of the new Supra is very bad indeed. 0-60 in 4.1 seconds is what I'd expect from a 50k sports car in 2020. Would I pay 50k for it? Nope. 30k - possibly - but I think I'll wait for the new Z, thank you.

You'll be as old as him when it comes out....


Kirk B.

Interior screams BMW, even down to the stupid tablet thing on top of the dash. Looks like an after thought and not really designed well.

The rear proportions just don't look right to me, like the hatch is too tall or something.

automatic?! forget it. i'll stick with the z.

I'm glad its not making me want to ditch my Nismo.

I dig the look of it but I'm not a bmw fan at all so having the heart be an unreliable motor I'm good. This would have been epic Toyota redesigning a 2jz to become a lower emission 3jz :) and having a manual option in the states.

The car will eventually offer a manual here as they will offer it overseas so it's on the table already. They will just see how sales go.

For me a manual is a must. I suspect that engine having a lot of work around to make it handle high boost. I've never heard of 800hp bmws in a frequent sense like say the old supra where 800hp is the norm.

The predecessor should never overdo the successor
It should be a compliment to the future car.

Too much money for sedan horsepower.

For that money they should be well north of 400hp. A Z is a much better value.

As for the looks....the AE86 wins, and honestly, I think I'd rather have one of those....especially at half the price.

You simply can't get much for under $50K these days. Think about it.....a BASE 911 is over $100K.

I know the supra was intended to compete with Cayman crowd but New Cayman GTS is right at $100K. Not to mention it has a 4 banger with a turbo.

I would hope the Supra gets a turbo or 2 like most BMW's. Maybe in a couple years?

Get the HP up to 450 area and it would be respectable, I think.

Prob bump the price up to $70K mark, damn it.

I think the crowd where it will sell is with those that want a factory turbo'd car that is simular to the Z. Looking forward to see what the production models end up doing : Performance / Sales wise.

I am settling down in my old age. Bought a KIA Stinger to replace the Z. It is not as good in the curves as the Z but just as fast in a straight line. Plus it can hold 4 people and a lot of cargo. Also got it for 40k.

Horrible. Looks like a really ugly Miata. As far as HP goes...who cares? Unless you are going to track your car. As long as it has enough to be fun in the twisties that's all I care about.

What is the break down on this? Isn't built off the '11 M1 platform with the same engine bolted to a slushbox 8 speed and no back seat?

Heck yeah I would, it looks exotic and has a 50/50 weight with handling tech. Might consider it even though its an automatic.

The inline six IS twin turbo. The inline four is single turbo. But you're exactly right, for $50k, the Supra is a hell of a deal. People seemed to forget a base anything is almost $30k now.

A new Nismo is $45k+ and a dinosaur. The Supra isn't much more and has all the modern niceties while still being a focused sports car. I get that we're on a Z forum, but people on here seem to forget all the cheap **** that Nissan puts into the Z and refuses to update.

Something just seams off on the looks. Lots going no on. Trying to hard.

[QUOTE=madwi;3815736]http://www.the370z.com/other-vehicle...ota-supra.html[/QUOTE

Lol thanks, didn't know I started this thread almost 3 years ago.

It just makes no sense why their halo car got a motor from a bmw that's moderate power and from a company that makes unreliable engines...

Imagine Nissan having the next GTR using a Mercedes engine...

Honestly most of us will change our mind once we see some stances and boosted up the wazoo but without a manual and going in with a bmw engine the stacks against Toyota...

Proof is in the pudding, a manual is inevitable to follow if it doesnt flop.

:iagree::iagree:

People talking about the price is too much when it's 50k...it's about the same as a new Nismo, it's faster and basically better in every way except looks, which is subjective. I mean obviously this forum is going to have some bias but let's not be here delusional people...I'm actually amazed that these start at 50k. No one expected these to start at 50k.

I think the 2020 Toyota Supra is definitely a good idea for Toyota to produce as it will be a long time coming. This new BMW engine will not be the most reliable engine like the original 2JZ engine. Also from what I found out it will be priced higher than the average consumer can afford at just under 60K. We will just have to wait and see what Toyota really decides to enveil in 2020??

Agreed... The hate is real. I think it looks sharp. I just need a review from a trusted reporter and a test drive to feel anything more than it's looks.

Im praying this car will push Nissan to build a Z very soon?

Here's an article of the differences between the Z4 n Supra.

https://jalopnik-com.cdn.ampproject....upr-1831780403

To my understanding. Benz engines are solid. BMW engines are good. The problems with these cars are overengineered electronic systems that make them unreliable. Which is very expensive to fix. Toyota with minimized electronics and its own tune should keep this carvreliable.

BMW anything is a deal breaker for me. If I wanted a BMW, I’d buy a BMW! I hate when manufacturers buy platforms and just slap on redesigned sheet metal and call it their own. This has never been a successful option for any car maker in the past. It will be interesting to see what happens here.


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More on the 4 cylinder Supra:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201.../#more-1656568

You missed my point my friend. I'm saying why would you reproduce your halo car and not have your engine in it. The GTR and Supra are not famous and feared because they look sexy... they were feared for the power and reliability of the rb26 and 2jz.

I've been tracking the ft1 supra for years. If I knew it was going to have a crappy bmw engine I wouldnt have even thought twice. Mercedes engines may be a step up from bmw for reliability BUT that's missing the point.

Sports car enthusiasts have been waiting more than 20 years for the return of Supra and will soon be able to purchase the 2020 Toyota GR Supra for a Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price of $49,990.

well the GR is a Turbo inline 6 at $49K. Guess the 4's will be less. I'm going to be pissed if this is a bait and switch. Just like Porsche going to Turbo 4 @ $70K-$100K. Forget that crap

more info from press release


https://toyotanews.pressroom.toyota....90+dollars.htm