I ended up getting the absolute zero which is gonna go nice with my white infiniti QX:tup::tup:

Waiting would not be bad. You can enjoy a test of both while not worrying you have made a bad choice if you dont like the Supra and already own it. Waiting is never a bad thing. They make more of them each day!

as a former Supra owner (mkIII TT), i had high hopes for the new sup... i don't care for the looks of it outside, not enough trd, too much bmw. inside is nice, it fit me well, very Z ish. I'm happy with my Z.

Supra sales the last 4 months are trending down quite a bit yoy... I think the shiney new toy honeymoon is over.

RIP Supra:
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-new...lectrification

LOL! They've already scheduled a date to kill that ugly ride! :rofl2:


(Dude, your avatar is SoLiD!!)

That is almost 2 years old. It was never a long term car from the inception.

Whatever... I'm sure if the sales numbers were stronger, they'd reconsider.

Btw, when did you become such a bmwota fanboy?

trolls can hate on it all they want, numbers dont lie... sounds like jealousy to me:icon17:

If the rumors are true and they make a 6MT version of the Supra and you can have those at MSRP - then I think it will be interesting to cross-shop the Z and the Supra. I feel that you can still score a Supra at MSRP and that the new Z will have ADM on it - making the price point a little closer than if they were both priced at MSRP.

Regardless - the Supra is a beautiful car but I wonder if I would get bored not having a 6MT since I like to row my own gears.

That's a lot of questionable "ifs" from which to draw such a conclusion. My question is why add mt to a platform that is already seeing declining sales numbers yoy AND is scheduled to die in a few model years? The Corvette offered first dagger, and the upcoming Z will provide the kill shot. The Supra honeymoon, brief as it was, has clearly past.

yeah dude, i've always had manual transmissions in my all the cars I've ever owned up until now with the Supra. Supposedly (and this is strictly rumor) in 2023 there's supposed to be a manual Supra. I guess we'll see.

Its funny how some folk talk about declining numbers year over year.. :facepalm: Like the Supra has been out since 2009, and really the only upgrades since 2009 has basically been slight bumper upgrades/LEDs/ and some stickers... :icon17::icon17: talk about declining numbers.

Wow, you're such a simple idiot! :shakes head:
Like you said, the numbers don't lie... Now do your research and tell me the monthly sales numbers aren't down drastically "YOY" starting in August '21.

Hint: since you'll obviously need help seeking the truth, start with goodcarbadcar.net

I am not a Supra fan per say but I do have some experience with it. Regardless of published sales number we see more and more of them at the track each weekend. They are a very capable car to on the track. They are fast and handle as well or better than most production two seaters in their class.

The GR 86 will be the end of the Supra because of price point and its capabilities. It will also impact the sales of the Z.

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November 228. Year are 6,347 / total = 15,118.

https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/toyota...sales-figures/

I get numbers ultimately will tell the story if a car is kept in the Automaker's lineup; but...the low numbers don't dictate if a car is a good car. I mean, when I look at the Supra - I see a nice looking 2 seater (might be too small for me - 6ft tall) with a good amount of support in the aftermarket. I do think the Z will cut into new sales IF the Z doesn't go crazy with ADM being added to it.

I know it's not fair to compare the 2 - but wasn't the Z's numbers plummeting quite abit - I know that was due to the design not really changing and a 2009 was basically the same car as the 2020 so why buy new; but still - I feel numbers for sports cars - especially for 2 seaters ultimately don't do well after the initial rush to buy bc its NOT practical and they are typically pretty expensive so the target audience - those in their 20s can't afford it; hence why I see why the new BRZ/GR86 will do well with that crowd.

Chip and supply shortage would not help any model for overall sales. Makers are making MORE money on less supply. The dream of any factory lol

:iagree:

For all the rumors about the supra and a manual option...

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/t...ission-option/

I'll be honest, I hated the new supra when it first came out for so many reasons. I'll be the first to admit it has grown on me and the fact that it's coming with a manual definitely stirs the pot with the new Z IMO. Now, I'm sticking with my 370 and going to continue to modify and enjoy it. The car prices are just ridiculous these days. However, I'm just glad the MT is living on and there are options out there.

I like the new Supra but I really believe it was hyped up more than it's actually worth. You go to car meets and the vast majority of the Supra owners are middle aged guys driving bone stock cars that they probably use to drive to the grocery store on the weekends, far from people I would consider actual car enthusiasts. I'm quite sure most of them own one simply for the name "I own a supra".

Does one need to mod to be enthusiast. I think not. My M2 stayed completely factory. Still never failed to bring a smile to my face when used appropriately. Lets give people a break until we talk with them.

Stock or not the Supra is an interesting and capable car overall. If one mod's it good, if not good. Drive and enjoy.

Do you guys know how many 300zxTT's there were in the 90's. Not that many. The Supra Turbo cars were even less. They both were rare finds. The older folks can afford them now and they are buying them because they were way out of their price range in the 90's. It's all good. Car meets, I rarely go to them. LOL

This could just be misinterpretation of the GRMN version which will be manual, but incredibly limited and possible Japan only (not sure about that)

Also there are rumours floating around that there may not be that many more years of this car in production.

That's a fair point. Somewhat unrelated to your point, I think my biggest gripe with the car is that, to me, it pays no homage to the supra. They could've named it anything else lol the 4cl variant would have been a great brz/gt86 successor.

The GR86 threatens the 2.0 Supra for sure, but that car was always a dubious production choice IMO. A 2.0 4 banger just doesn’t fit the Supra legacy, just as it wouldn’t fit the Z legacy.

I think the 3.0 Supra and new Z, however, are safe enough from the GR86. They are both 400-ish HP 6 banger coupes that compete in a slightly different market to the ‘low power, low weight, low cost’ GR86, BRZ and MX-5.

Drive a BRZ and then the Supra 2.0 I had both. I kept the Supra 2.0

That's fine, you kept the car that suited your particular preferences. Not everyone will make the same choice depending on their own preferences and priorities.

My point was that the 3.0 Supra is in another league entirely (both performance but also price wise) to the GR86, so the other poster's point about the GR86 threatening the 3.0 was off base.

The 2.0 Supra, although still in a different price segment, is a far closer match to the GR86 in terms of performance, and is closer in price, so if the GR86 presents any threat to any Supra, it will be to the 2.0.

In truth though they probably do attract different buyers. The GR86 is cheap, lightweight, and feels it (I owned a MkI for 5 years so I know how tinny and cheap they felt inside). The Supra is more expensive, heavier, and much more premium (pairing with BMW does pay dividends for interior refinement). Which a person prefers is going to be very personal (and also based on financial situation).

As an aside, I'll always have to wonder what the 2.0 Supra is like to drive, because it never came to Australia. Toyota made the decision to only bring the 3.0 Supra here (and made it a AUD100K car so they are rare as hen's teeth hereabouts). My big fear is that Nissan will price match the Supra, putting the new Z out of reach of many local enthusiasts (me included).

dubious production choice

Per the Nissan Prod Development woman in the latest video posted in the "400z" section, the new Z will start around 30k$ for the base model... 400hp/350tq 6 speed standard.
At that price, F the Stupra!!

I could be dead wrong, but I believe the Z starting at $30k for the base model is exactly that...the base model. Yes, it will come with the 400hp, 350tq, and 6spmt, but I HIGHLY doubt it will come with the LSD, the upgraded brakes/tires, interior/exterior options, and some other stuff. In this regard, Nissan is doing a really good job of false advertisement because they have been talking about the power specs and the starting price, but that yellow Z everyone is seeing in the press media aint it. Again, I could be wrong, but this is just my analysis. Personally, if I'm buying a car, I'm going to get exactly what I want with the bells and whistles. However, you can't deny cost of entry for such a car as it's still a great bargain. I don't care what anyone says, but apart from the exterior styling, it's a total parts-bin car and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm amazed it starts at $30k considering what the 370 went for and what the q60 are selling for. It's almost head scratching.
I think the Supra had a really rough start for so many reasons we have already beaten to death here. However, with the introduction of manual I think it's a fair contender now. You can't even say one is N/A and the other is boosted anymore. Both are, or should be, reliable. I think it'll just come down to styling preference and whichever one you think drives better, all subjective. I don't really care about #s in terms of how fast it is or whatever, but it would still be interesting how they perform on the track considering how close these cars stack up to each other. I've decided to keep my 370Z rather than waiting for the new Z because I prefer N/A, but if something were to happen to it, I'd gladly pick up a new Z or a 6cl supra.

All that being said, we all damn well know that no dealership is going to to be selling this car for MSRP, especially now!
I have to rant about this even though it's totally unrelated to this thread, but I used to despise the dealers that sold for MSRP aka no haggle. After dealing with so many shitty car salespeople, I think I can honestly say I support the no haggle business method. I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but I think car salesmen are useless now. If anything, they just give a terrible experience. The sales managers are the final say anyways. The salespeople are just mediators. I can now see why Carmax and online car dealers are flourishing. We are in a time where car salesmen don't even need to anything to sell cars. Rant over.

There is no way a new Z is starting at or below the same price as the outgoing Z period. False news, someone is smoking crack!!!

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Well isn't the new Z, exactly a Z34, only difference is with an updated dash, body, wheels, motor and trans. Everything else is a 370Z correct?

Regardless, inflation, the cost of the updated tech and the chips to brain them. Nothing is the same since the stopped the production of the Z.

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