THIS right here - if the 4cyl Supra will be pushing out 260ish HP, and lets say it goes for high 30s or 40k to start - if the BRZ/86 is much cheaper but is putting out similar HP - and if the BRZ/86 keeps its handling that it currently offers - I think it really eat into the 4cyl sales of the Supra.

The Supra might have the name but if you are basically running a Toyota tuned BMW - then one might be more tempted to go with the BRZ/86 since that will/should be 'more reliable' at a cheaper price. Again, this is all speculation but it did have me wondering how and where the updated BRZ/86 and the 4cyl Supra would be fitting into the lineup.

Toyota is selling the left over supra in the 40s this month.

A good value. 2 seat, fast, sportscar. Glad we have the choice.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...-battle-video/

Corvette C8 Z51 VS 2020 Toyota Supra! VIR Track Battle!

So anyone getting one?

Well it's a little insulting. As some opinions/reviewers have been pointing out, the whole "ready to mod" thing is absolute BS. Toyota dismissed the use of braces in the engine bay (like the Z4 already comes with...) and then starts using them now. Small things like that, that arguably should've been on the original debut car.

With the sales strategy to stay consistent by trying to keep the car interesting with improvements every year, it's almost like everyone should hold their breath for the final edition unless they have the money to make it their own — that'd probably be my position in acquiring a 2020: if I could give zero s***s about a $40-50k car's warranty and throw money at it to fill all those voids immediately.

I get it, doing what they're doing is how they can get around a difficult sales/profit model. The car as it debuted is actually pretty good sans BMW glitches. I guess the effort can be appreciated vs. having absolutely nothing. Just unfortunate this is how a sports car rolls out.

I did!

LOL

How is it?

It was akin to a nightmare. The story starts in page 32.

So on page 32 I saw your car lift. Out of curiosity what is the height of your garage ceiling? Looks like a tight fit but doable. I'm wanting a car lift but my garage ceiling isn't very tall

The ceiling of my garage has a stepped height. The inner half is 11 feet tall while the outer section is only 8 feet. The height of 10 feet is enough to clear two short (height wise) cars no taller than the Z or the Supra roof. The roofline of the Z06 is significantly shorter than these two.

The problem is the outer 8-foot section. This is where the car on the lift would need to be parked facing outward so the hood can be located under the shorter ceiling height. The most inner part of the 8-foot section was actually cut out to clear the base of the windshield of the car on the lift. In my case, the parking arrangement is a bit complicated and certain procedures are needed to clear everything; literally a few inches of clearance is needed in multiple points.

Appreciate the info. I'd be stacking my 280z and 300zx which are both currently at factory height (plan to lower in the future). I believe my ceiling is only at 10ft so it will be tight.

Just measure the maximum height of each car (antenna mast usually doesn't count) and play with the numbers.

I thought about a stacker, but my garage is only 9’, no go

Simple, one car needs to be a GT-40!
:rofl2:

Interesting comparison of the Supra models now - https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ra-comparison/

Saw my first Supra in the flesh the other week, bright yellow. They are pretty rare here in Australia, first because they only released 300 units for year 1 allocation, second because they cost AU$100k (US$70k). For comparison, I got a 2020 370Z (our base Z is the equivalent of the US Sport Touring grade) for around AU$50k (US$35k). Here in Oz a Mustang GT is around AU$70k (US$50k). Cars are expensive here. :rolleyes:

Can't say I'm a fan of the Supra's looks TBH. Seemed a bit overstyled and lumpy in the flesh. Can't argue with the performance though, and the tunability of the B58 engine. I'm under no illusions the B58 Supra would leave a stock Z for dead from a dig or a roll.

I know a lot of Aussie 2019 Supra buyers, first year early adopters, are mighty pi$$ed off at Toyota for blowing their resale by releasing a substantially revised and more powerful 2020 model just 1 year after the launch version. Pretty crummy way to treat your most committed early buyers IMO. People bag the 370Z for its lack of updates, but at least that protects early buyers' resale values somewhat.

In any case I wouldn't be buying an A90 Supra for a few years, as it seems they've chosen a drip feed approach where each year's model will receive incremental upgrades. Given that, I'd be inclined to wait for the final edition and get the best version of the car.

I see on the Toyota website they are offering 0% interest and I ‘believe’ $3500 cash back on the 2020’s. Won’t lie - bc of the tunability and I really do like the looks of it - I am kinda wondering if I could finagle a 2020 or what would be a little over $500/mo for 60mo. Not sure if this could happen - it would require the price of the Supra to be dropped below the $50k mark if they honor the $3500 off as well as having 0% for a 60mo loan then this might be doable. But at the same time - looking at doing something like that and having it all work perfectly - as well as trading in a newly PIF vehicle just seems like financial stupidity to say the least.

I think @Red-Hat mentioned it and has the right idea - wait for the final version to have the ‘best’ version of the Supra that they come out. Plus it would allow for the new Z to come out and see how it compares to the Supra. I am hoping that would be a fun review and not wind up being a disappointment.

Got the free poster from Toyota, this will be the extent of my ownership lol

http://www.the370z.com/attachments/o...b222a5774.jpeg

Long term review of the Supra - nice read. I still am happy to see this new sports-car.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-maintenance/

This guy doing something I dreamed of: putting a prototype or F1 engine in a street car, except I was envisioning a mid-engine car like an NSX....and I'd have to win the lotto to keep it running.



Also surprised he couldn't just source some kind of spec rolling chassis vs a complete car. I though Daigo Saito got one to dump a 2JZ into.

Doesn't fix the car, but I like it.

Hmm, not a fan TBH. But I prefer hard top coupes so it could be my existing bias. I don't think the black roof/C pillar thing works - it's a modern automotive trend I dislike. Not a fan of it on the Z Proto either. Give me a body coloured roof any day to show off the car's lines properly.

that will never happen though. I don't think those pillars even fit in the trunk

Saw a new Supra for the 2nd time ever today. Gray. Very nice coupe... but I still think our current generation Z looks better.

I agree, both the 370Z and Z Proto are better looking coupes in my opinion. I think their styling will age better than the Supra, which has a few gimmicky design trends on it (like fake vents and too many creases and character lines) that will date it in a few years.

I wouldn't say no to the B58 engine in my Z though. ;) Hopefully the VR30DDTT in the Z35 can match up to the B58 in the Supra.

I'm just jealous of how easy it is for Supra owners to push 400+ with just a simple tune and downpipe. Faster than a hellcat

The GR Supra Sport has good styling particularly the rear.

I have to admit - I really do like the new Supra. I mean, the ease of power that it makes with a tune and light mods really make it a contender. IF ONLY IT HAD A 6MT haha. Granted I do want to take one for a test drive to see how it drives and how I FIT in it since it does look a little smaller than the Z.
And with the Supra not holding it's value like lets say the Honda CTR - you should be able to pick one up used for a great price in a year or 2 :)

What are your thoughts on trading a TT 370Z for a Supra. It seems thise B58s have so much potential and how easily the Supra is damm fast with simple mods.

I see youtube videos where they keep up neck and neck with alot of 370Z turbo setups when the Supra has just basic mods and a tune.

The supra has been growing alot on me lately and now I am thinking of selling my Z to fund towards the Supra, or keep spending money building motor and trans on my Z.

For some reason it's a hard choice for me, I love my Z but the Supra is growing on me fast.

Don't do it! Wait for the new Z.

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Yea the new Z does also look nice, but I am unsure about the VR30DDTT platform. I don't know much about it, but I highly doubt it is going to be anywhere near as menancing as the B58 in terms of tuning potential, I do hope I am wrong there though.

Ontop of that, I saw a youtube video of a guy who was at the Nissan Museum or HQ, and he went up very close to the new Z, and looked underneath it as much as possible and saw that the suspension system is the same as the 370Z. And that much of the interior is basically the same as well with just a few minor touches, retrim and updated dash. To me, i feel like that would be spending a whole lot of money on a car I already have!

I don't know, guess I will just have to wait till it is out here in Australia and take one for a test drive.

With the recent California smog update to ECU inspections, I'm starting to question the future of my Z...particularly if I'm going to have no choice to turn it into a track car or who knows what — but full intent of keeping it. Really hoping one of the tuners here comes up with a CARB compliant solution.

And that being said, cars like the Supra and the CTR have suddenly become relevant. Don't get me wrong, good cars, but before this, I had zero interest. They're just something to settle with because I'm clearly only interested if I need a replacement daily sports car.

Personally - with Aug being the release date and not sure how things are where you are at - but with the chip shortage driving prices up and a new platform from the Z being offered - it wouldn’t hurt to wait it out. Right now in teh US - the prices of used cars is crazy and making new car prices at a premium; so that being the case - I would wait to see what the new Z has to offer. Just my .02 and this is coming from soneone who is thinking about a Nitro Yellow Supra - and if you want a standard - definitively need to wait.
Regardless keep us updated - in particular if you get a Supra ;)

I sold my Z (which I absolutely loved) for a new Supra 3.0 Premium edition (in white).:tup::tup:

My buddy let me drive his and I was hooked dude, its a fun fricken car dude.

Yup, a turbo factory car will b easier to get a carb approved tune on that actually improves performance.

In the VAG car world, APR has their APR Plus tunes which are 91 octane stage 1 carb approved for a lot of vw, Audi and even some Porsche too iirc.

Let’s hope with the high volume of z35s that will sell, there is a business case to develop a carb approved stage 1 tune for it. Should be good for about an extra 50-70 hp and torque depending on the quality of the tuner. Btw, these will be bench tunes like are the standard in the vw/Audi world, no custom dyno tuning since obviously that could never meet carb. :driving:

Did you have a boosted Z before?

I am also thinking about getting a nitro yellow supra.

Or just wait it out and see what the new Z is like.

no, never.. a friend of mine had one, it was fast and fun to ride in.