Stock engine can handle 1000hp!!!! Thank you Toyota for saving your base a lot of cash. The window thing really bothers me though. They better invent a kool wind deflector or something? Cuz I drive with windows open!!!

https://www.motor1.com/news/364944/t...rdown-1000-hp/

Mr. Spaghetti says not many people are interested in his new meatball

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--WMmm2X6NE

reality is, I don't think anyone's looking to spend premium rental money on a Supra.

I could be interested at the right price. Honestly it kinda sucks to just see it sit there.

Oh, and Jackie has been somewhat solid with documenting tracking the car. A little annoying to hear him have to narrate/react to every little thing, but he can drive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez9XmtWXjGg

Engine teardown.
going for 1000hp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MckxlP60cnY

Supra with a 1:23.10 at the Top Gear Test Track

https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/top-gear-track

No, not the 'ring, but interesting where that stands.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjTB7Po38Jw

https://www.autoindustriya.com/featu...successor.html

I agree with this article... plus. In a world where affordable sports cars are scarce. In a world where 40k only buys you base powerhouse muscle or the only new used car on the planet. The Supra is a gift. I'm not even a toyota fanboy in the least. I wasnt a Supra worshipper of the past. I was an Rx7 guy all the way... But even I know Toyota wont put out an unreliable sports car!!! To think it will be is lunacy!!! That's one thing toyota dont play with that other car companies make secondary.

This car puts down respectable numbers. Seems torquey af and is a worthy entry with lap times that exceed its low on paper stats.
I know I know the corvette. But you're looking at $70k for a properly opted vette. Vs $54k for this properly opted. If $16,000 doesnt hurt you? Fine...
But for some $16k is gonna be a lot of extra car payment. And I can see them being sold for $50k out the door once the vette is out.

This might sound silly but it's the window down issue that's the deal breaker for me. I love driving with my windows down in good weather. But most people dont. So I pray Toyota sells the shyt out of these so Nissan and Mazda doesnt hesitate to make competitors.

After the dust has kinda settled from the C8 reveal, it was just a timing thing. People scratching heads about the Supra while the C8 came up with some mind-blowing claims (claims, so far).

I mean people will forget that the C7 was some awesome **** when it launched and I'm sure there were digs at Porsche at the time. Sub 4 second 0-60 (which is still pretty fast today), the 7 speed, MRC, styling and major interior overhaul (albeit not class-leading at all). Z51 was like pads and tires away from a track day. There wasn't even a Supra to talk about.

But now there is a Supra to talk about, and there has been nothing but promise for it so far. Adam LZ already has his 550hp in what looked like a straightforward turbo + downpipe swap, and meth install.

I still want to hold my breath on possible higher trims. I currently don't like how there are cooler vacancies and vents "ready" to mod (even the intake vent is blocked off). The Lexus RCF and GSF come with better cooling equipment. Yes the MSRP on those is higher, but this is supposed to the flagship sports car. So I imagine it's possible Toyota puts out a higher spec model, and that's likely going to be awesome assuming the price hike isn't insane. I still have my Gran Turismo dreams of owning one of the head JDM sports car models.

But yeah, still each to their own. I've also been leaning to avoid modding going forward (yeah buzzkill) with California and whatever laws kick in for automobiles with time passing. I'm even holding back doing anything more to my Z performance-wise. Probably would've been a different story if I had a space for a second car.

I think this is well said!! We can make endless comparison around configurations and sports cars. What do you like? What do you want for your driving that matters most. Not what others think EVER. Get YOUR car YOUR way and enjoy the ride. Windows down or up lol :):tup::tup::tup:

Im keen to test the Supra and feel what is offered. The C8 is amazing on spec but what does the drive feel like. One may like the Supra more or the Vette C8 etc. Im attracted to both lol

Definitely... I'm attracted to any car made for sports with over 270hp in RWD/AWD or over 200hp in FWD if the price to performance is right. And I just dont mean on paper numbers.

Don’t sweat the wind buffeting issue, common problem with many sports cars since all the wind tunnel testing takes place with windows up normally.

Google “ porsche wind buffeting”. Solutions are out there, I’m sure there’ll be one for the Supra, esp since it’s German now. :happydance:

Supra vs Mustang
 

https://youtu.be/zASl44yR1M0

This was an interesting matchup. I would've thought they'd use the Mustang PP2 considering the Supra Price. I think the Supra shouldve been either right behind or in front of the BMW M2? But it sounds like the Supra is balanced. It's more about the experience with Toyota. That should be their slogan.

Toyota
"Why win? Enjoy the experience "

You got a "like" from me for the last line.

Or: "Toyota, the Ultimate Ricing Machine".

Anyway, I saw my first one in the flesh last weekend. I think most stereotypical Americans (includes a lot of Canadians who hang out at dount shops) will have a hard time getting in and out, or being comfortable in the cabin. Very tiny car for 2020.

That's actually a + in my book. Cars are too big. If its 86 size? Its perfect!! That's the one thing I really love about the 86. The size

Actually, my impression was that the size comparison of Supra to the 86 would be like the 4C to the 370Z. I think you’ve seen the photos of that comparison I’ve posted before.

Edit: found this...
https://www.supramkv.com/attachments...e04-png.12503/

And this
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...vtx8p7ccly.jpg

The 86 being a known quantity, I’m not sure about Supra. Unless it’s like the Tardis - bigger on the inside. Guessing the C8 will be made to measure for American dimensions.

Saw a Supra in person up close on Friday. It looks worlds better in person than the pictures which don’t do it justice. Still not a fan of the faux vents on it, but that was the only real let down visually. The proportions are good, it seems bigger in the flesh.

The dash/interior is straight up bmw, It looks even more beemer in person, esp the shifter.

All said, I like it even more now compared to previously.

Hope the driving experience is up to par as well. In this rough price range, if I were looking for a new sports car/sports coupe, it’d probably be either this or an m2.

I actually haven't seen the comparison. Sorry. But in my head. I thought an MR2 that is rumored to be coming would be closer to a 4c than a Supra. I was surprised just to know the Supra had no back seats! But when I learned it was a two seater I expected it to be a direct Z competitor.

What I read about the return of the MR2 is that it's mostly thought to be electric.

Fool already crashes his new 2020 supra on track day. He should be learning to drive a coralla first lol.
https://www.carscoops.com/2019/09/cr...cringy-moment/

Jackie Ding is the real deal. The kid drives the chit out of a car and has more experience than many of us combined. He did his early days as an Indy light driver. He bought the car with the soul purpose of competing in Global Time Attack. He also had track insurance on the car so he planned for the worst. I feel for him and admire his commitment to tracking and taking that platform to the top. I'm confident he will be back at the track in another Supra real soon.

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Have heard this from others who know him as well.

Someone suggested that he wasn't even pushing the car at the time - dropped 2 wheels on the grass for whatever reason. It can happen. Sad to see it happen to any car let alone a new one!

Yeah, the video of incident is on YouTube and you are correct as he was not pushing hard and just ran a little wide dropping two wheels and game over. It happens to the best professional drivers where they drop a wheel or two behind the safety car or just cold tires leaving the pits and things just go south sometimes.

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Yeah his narration can sometimes be excessive, but the guy can drive.

On another note, Adam LZ has a raffle for his Supra. ~600HP via turbo upgrade/mapping/meth. Suspension and wheels being worked on. Would've entered but Lolifornia and I can't house a track car.

2020 Toyota Supra
 

Saw a 2020 Supra last night in the parking lot, the car is mid-blue. I was excited, approached it immediately.

The car looks small, properly the same size as our Z.

To be honest, the car is not really a turn head for me. For $60+, I rather spend
my money for a Nismo Z or an used GTR. I know some will say your Z is 11 year olds and outdated, but to me it still sexy af.

I am not a Supra hater, just my 2 cents opinion.

Recall #1
 

https://jalopnik.com/you-hate-to-see...-se-1838658787


First recall on the Supra. The seatbelts. The era of recall free cars is gone!!

I knew you would be posting this. LOL

:iagree:

Toyota Supra Steering Rack Failure
 

https://youtu.be/RyELYngQeoo

Toyota employees cursing out customers. Not acknowledging warranties due to mods. Yet the part is unmodded. This is why the Supra will not sell in the long term.

I was concerned with something the head of the Supra project said in an outdoor interview/conversation. He said the car was designed for mods but was clear that toyota is not backing warranties on modded cars. I found that concerning cuz lots can go wrong not relevant to mods. And right now, toyota cursed and accused one owner of a stock car of mods due to this newfound steering issue. But the car was stock. This car in the video though is modded. So sick of the japanese not accepting when they make a mistake then not want to fix it. Ie CSC failure and the list goes on. Hopefully the Mazda Rx9 comes soon. I'm off the Supra wagon.

Unbelievable, obviously BMW and Toyota are making too much money if they can afford to produce vehicles with part they no will fail and then will have to replace them later. Come on Mazda. Mazda has already developed a Mazda 3 tcr race car!

About time.

:iagree:

7 cars “might” have a seatbelt problem and they recall.

4 cars lose steering and the dealers blame the customers.

There is nothing lower than a car “dealer”.

You have to be a special kind of stupid to drive one of these Turds. Just keep it away from me and my family...

Honoring the warranty has a lot of grey area, and realistically, if they didn't do a tune, or expose what they were doing with the car, dealer/Toyota would've been more inclined to fix this. It is stupid, yes, because an engine tune shouldn't compromise a steering rack. But really, that comes with anything. You buy sports equipment and it rips, stores can turn down a return.

As for the the car itself. Adam LZ has been building his up. Jackie Ding was abusing his quite a bit until the wreck. He even damaged one of his suspension arms (I think he ran off track) and it was easily fixed and running. There has been use and abuse at the 'ring so it's not like they just saw it only on paper and put it into production.

True though, that these steering racks have a history with BMW. MKV forum is citing a number of things it seems, and I guess well short of Toyota standards.

We could always give a pass to a year-one release, and really draw the line as to whether things actually get addressed. If Toyota doesn't, then it's pretty much spelled out they half-assed this from beginning to end. What a waste of time, and I guess lies, claiming they took a good look at every component and reached to say the car was ready to modify.

Employee surely ****ed up, that's for sure. Way to drag the brand down, on top of the loser dealers issuing crazy markups — and equally the loser buyers jumping the gun, although some are translating that to YT money. Holy hell there are probably Corolla salesman smirking with a "you can't have dis" attitude with a Supra sitting in the showroom.

Not looking good. I want it to do good because we can't have enough sports cars, but yeah.

While I really do like the new Supra - I just want to see how the reliability holds up - since this is a build between 2 manufacturers with one of those not being known for reliability. Also - no way i could justify spending $60k on a car regardless of how 'cool' it is. I mean, give it a few years and that same car will be around mid to low $40s and that might be worth it.

And I definitely want to see if succeed bc if it does - that will justify Nissan and others making sports cars etc. Not to jump off topic but I just wish hatches were popular in the US - bc if you ask me, I would rather have a AWD or even FWD hatch over a crossover any day of the week.

Jackie bought another A90. Base model more suited for a build, but apparently he couldn't get it at the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqAc6iqGtWE

One of the owners they turned down had a stock one. No mods at all. What’s the excuse for that one?

It's not really a matter of making excuses or defense. You seem to look for that like it's owed to you while you've gone out of your way to express how much you don't like the car — we get it. Hence the tag on this thread that has been here for a while.

It's not like this never happens anywhere else, where a dealer/company sheds doubt on an innocent customer and denies them warranty. Granted, it's a bit out of the ordinary for a brand like Toyota, and probably something you expect out of a *gasp* European manufacturer.

Or Nissan.

Magnaflow came out with a pretty nice exhaust for the Zupra... Ummm.... I bet itll be expensive though. With dual mode now, magnaflow exhausts are now rather pricey.

https://carbuzz.com/news/listen-to-t...market-exhaust