Ha ha! I agree... a 4 banger Porsche for 70k + is a load of horse sh** at best!

I really dont care about the price. Toyota dropped the ball when they didn't make the supra manual. That's why a lot of ppl are upset. A 50k car with only 335hp and not only that, it is auto, shoot, might as well save up some more and get yourself an m4 or the new audi rs5 or even the z06. I'm just happy that companies like Porsche, BMW and Chevy are still making their sports car manual.

I like it more in this than the pictures I must admit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka4Vo_ZvUaM

/\/\ agreed

Damn it looks way better on video than in pictures.

I bet it is a sweet ride based on how well I loved the BMW M240i xDrive. Need to see it in person in regard to the aesthetics, but I probably won’t buy even though I have been interested in it. The BMW M240i xDrive seems more compelling now.

In that sense i do agree.... I would've rather seen a 3jz... But we're in a place where we are losing affordable sports cars. At least it's an entry and hopefully it will do well? If it does well maybe toyota may want to make a 3jz. For now the car is nice. It looks like it's worth what it goes for.

Have you driven one? They are faster than the flat 6 they replace (although they don't sound nearly as nice).

Guessing that's the way of the world, so good on Toyota for putting a 6 in this car.
They pretty much had to. 3,500 lbs???? WTF???

Looks and sounds even better in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iOBD4VgVUM

:iagree: No manual = no go for me.

Approximately 50% of the BMW M2's sold in the USA are manual trans. Many car enthusiasts who prefer manuals, will definitely be ordering the BMW version and not even think twice about getting the Toyota.

Here's a comparison between the 1998 and the 2020

https://www-autoblog-com.cdn.ampproj...-comparison%2F

Although I have absolutley no plans to trade in my Z for a Supra, I was really looking forward to it's new release................ until now.

I had absolutely no back information on this car when I first saw it. I immediatly thought: "why does this thing look so much like a BMW?" Now I know why.

I truly don't understand why Toyota would rely on another manufacturer to produce a car that has such a rich history and has been anticipated by the car community for over 20 years. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think this was a serious mistake. Mistake number 2: it only comes mated to an automatic transmission. Clearly they aren't listening to enthusiasts.

Just my $0.02

So much cheaper, faster, better balanced, lower center of gravity, better tech, and safer than the previous Supra. Why did they bother?

Did you know 50% of people who buy the M2 prefer it in auto?

:drama:

And you know what's funny? The '20 Subaru Sti will be faster and will probably cost less :rofl2: the sad thing is, just another loud sti you see on the street driven by teens

Honestly, I hardly see sti's anymore. What's up with that? I saw a really clean one today and thought to myself "I don't think I've seen another sti in months". They were so popular in their bugeye days.

I live in Miami but fly to Orlando for work business every two weeks and I see more sti's or wrx's in Orlando than in Miami. In Miami you will see more high-end cars than in Orlando. Seen at least 5 type R's in Orl and only 1 in Miami

Yup.
But 50% for a manual transmission is a stellar number for any car unless it’s and incredibly low volume seller. Four people will always want a stick shift. The rest want to drive fast!

Really looks like to more aggressive 86/BRZ. Not impressed.

I expected more....with such a heritage as the Supra. Not a bad vehicle by any means I just personally expected more...

They messed up in my opinion, big time. By dropping the ball on this one, it will give Nissan the opportunity to release a new Z and take a hold of the market, hopefully.

Exterior Design: I think it's decent, not the best looking car but not the worst.The concept was beautiful, I have no idea why they veered so far away from that design. If they retained the concept design, it would have worked in their favor and put them far ahead of the competition. 7/10.

Interior Design: Really? You literally copied the Z4 from BMW. For crying out loud, your have a company under your ownership called Lexus, you could have taken their interior design of the LC and taken it up a notch or two. You could of given us something extraordinary and set the benchmark in the segment. But no. 5/10.

Engine: I feel as if a in depth perspective is not required. Again, you took a unreliable BMW engine and threw it into the "Supra". How creative. You could have brought back the 2JZ and baptized it so that it would be made for the 21st century. 5/10.

Overall, I'm dissapointed with the car as a whole. We waited years for this? Right. I stand by the philosophy of "If you're going to do something, do it right with all of your effort".

Overall score: 17/30.

All these haters stating that the looks are nothing special until they see one up close and personal than change their opinion :eek: lol

Yay fake vents

https://jalopnik.com/i-just-dont-bel...ine-1831838527

Those actually pop out easily, it was shown on a review on youtube. Don't know why they just left it vented for air flow.

Fake vents are all the rage right now! So hot!!!

Not to hate on the Supra, but it is not as special as I thought it would be. It took Toyota forever to bring this to market and they dropped the ball IMHO. So-so HP, so-so looks. Just not my taste.

Its disappointing on a number of different levels.

0-60 time is impressive. I hope it isn't a one-trick pony(car), and can handle a turn or two.
I still maintain that nobody is cross-shopping a Toyota with a Porsche, but having some convenience, a nice interior, some creature comforts, and still being able to throw the car around will give performance oriented drivers an option.

That weight still bothers me, though. Has to affect acceleration, braking and cornering adversely. I'm afraid that they created a fat grand tourer butter-knife instead of a track scalpel. Hopefully, some clever people will discover that much of the heft is surplus to requirements, and can be shed without making the car un-liveable.

Its not been even tested or reviewed all the hate lol:wtf2::wtf2:

I never said I hated it. It's nice, but it's a BMW. It had a HUGE name to live up to and it falls short thus far.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions: good, bad or indifferent.

Looks ..ok.. performance just ok for price.
Original Supra was Toyota. Problem is, this is a German car in a kimono.
If I want a BMW I'll buy a BMW, pay for it yes, but get a pure model.

Hate is not the word here homeboy. People aren't hating, they are pissed at the fact that toyota screwed the legendary supra. This is a huge let down for a lot of people. Even to the supra owners. You think they'd sell their old supra to buy the new one? lmao. The steering wheel looks like the steering wheel of an suv! I don't really care, as I was never intended to own one anyways. I'm fine with the Z and the 911 4s

One of the biggest positives about the A80/2JZ was its ability to handle big HP out of the stock block and gearbox.
I don't think for one minute this one will have been built to be able to do the same, so in the end it will be just another 'meh' JP coupe.

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Imagine if the next Gen Z has an Acura engine and mirrors one of their cars. How would that be received by the car community, and more specifically by the individuals in this forum? Not well I presume. This is exactly what happened with the new Supra.

It just seems to me Toyota didn't take this very seriously. Why not build an all original body and use a high performance engine from Lexus? That would have made a lot more sense to me.

If it's fun to drive and allows it to remain affordable, sure why not.

Agree - you'd think that the RC-F platform would be the perfect place to go to in order to find the drive train.

I get that this car is not going to be a mass market beast and that finding economies of scale is the only way it could be built. But looking in-house would surely be cheaper, offer the most control of the product and process, and be a nod to the ability of Toyota/Lexus engineering. As far as the actual manufacturing is concerned, modern flex lines should have allowed low volume production of the Supra at an existing Toyota facility, surely. And Lexus couldn't have made it any uglier! :-D Toyota already had the fairly well received FT-1 concept to work off of.

On another note, anyone see the new 2020 RC-F "Track Edition" also released at Detroit this week? For the price of about 2 new Supra's you could get from 0-60 in 0.2 seconds faster. Hmmmm.

Toyot a is waiting for consumer response to see if they will add a manual. My gut tells me a manual will come by its refresh.

Companies are part sharing due to cost of Sports car R&D. I'm sure if this version replace all? The next gen will be a more toyota focused vehicle.
One of the rumors for the next gen Z is that it may be powered by Mercedes?
The vr30dett came out but the next Z may have a 4 banger base model by Benz. This is what the globalized market is doing. Not saying I like that...
Remember that the Supras b4 the MK4 were designed by lotus. So maybe the next gen Supra will have a 3jz...

I try to think positive in the sense that. Everyone is abandoning sports cars or is scared to excel in the sports Arena, like Nissan. At least Toyota got some balls back. Cuz they were What Nissan is now just a few short tears ago.

I'm just waiting for a review n hopefully a test drive before I have a full on opinion. I know that BMW 8 speed is extremely fast n smooth. I'm just hoping toyota tuning will give the 3.0L engine more sports car grunt.

Like everyone else though. A 3JZ woulda been nuts. Here's hoping for a next gen 3jz.

Ugly period!!!

Look what they did with the new Tundra!!

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Where is TuRD though all this? Like the majority of consumers, I'm assuming they were too busy moding one of their SUVs to be bothered with the revival of Toyota's most successful sports car in the company's history.