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Originally Posted by vtec to vvel I hate to burst people’s bubble, but Nissan will always have a strong market-share presence, as with other car companies. Whether you buy Nissan

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Old 05-14-2018, 06:27 AM   #151 (permalink)
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I hate to burst people’s bubble, but Nissan will always have a strong market-share presence, as with other car companies. Whether you buy Nissan or not, whether you switch to another brand, Nissan doesn’t care because there will always be someone to buy from them. The 370Z has been in production for almost a decade with minor updates, yet is still selling.

I don't think anyone's bubble is being bursted. Cuz no one here is anti Nissan. Almost everyone here owns one or plans to own one if a Z35 drops? We just want companies like Mitsubishi not to disrespect the name of cars like that freakin Mitsubishi Eclipse CROSSOVER.

But yeah, their are enough chumps in the world choosing CVT's and leafblowers to destroy the enthusiast market and support SOULLESS vehicles, but still find a way to bash an enthusiast car cuz it's a Kia.

People gotta try to burst the bubble that Kia made a good car. It's not vice versa.

By the way... I'm sure Renault, Peugot, Suzuki and Isuzu cared when their successful market dwindled. And it took 30 years for Alfa to come back. Nissan cares about market share more than you think. They're just lucky people are drones and the enthusiast market is DYING. Cuz men are worried about erasing gender identity. Not driving cool cars.
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Man that's the truth! I think it just all depends on our ages. When I became old enough to drive the eclipse was a few years old and we had a few iconic cars available (if you had deep pockets or well off parents lol) Now that I've gotten older cooler cars are few and far between it seems. I'm sure that happens with technology and automarket progression but that doesn't mean that the development of newer exciting vehicles doesnt have to exist. My Z is also a daily and eventually I'll find a replacement for it but I want it to be just as fun to drive. Kudos to Kia!!
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I don't think anyone's bubble is being bursted. Cuz no one here is anti Nissan. Almost everyone here owns one or plans to own one if a Z35 drops? We just want companies like Mitsubishi not to disrespect the name of cars like that freakin Mitsubishi Eclipse CROSSOVER.

But yeah, their are enough chumps in the world choosing CVT's and leafblowers to destroy the enthusiast market and support SOULLESS vehicles, but still find a way to bash an enthusiast car cuz it's a Kia.

People gotta try to burst the bubble that Kia made a good car. It's not vice versa.

By the way... I'm sure Renault, Peugot, Suzuki and Isuzu cared when their successful market dwindled. And it took 30 years for Alfa to come back. Nissan cares about market share more than you think. They're just lucky people are drones and the enthusiast market is DYING. Cuz men are worried about erasing gender identity. Not driving cool cars.
Yes, Nissan does care about market-share. What I said was that Nissan isn’t going to care about an individual that gets PO-ed for whatever reason and swears off Nissan. You have those people that are like “I’m never buy Nissan again!”, to which Nissan really wouldn’t care because they will always have others that will buy from them. For example, I have a few condo’s that I rent out and do have some bad tenants. They gripe and b*tch over petty sh!t, always pay late, get quite a few complaints from the HOA about them, and threaten to move out, and I couldn’t care less. I know that I will have someone else that will rent it if they do decide to vacate.
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Old 05-15-2018, 04:33 AM   #154 (permalink)
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Yes, Nissan does care about market-share. What I said was that Nissan isnít going to care about an individual that gets PO-ed for whatever reason and swears off Nissan. You have those people that are like ďIím never buy Nissan again!Ē, to which Nissan really wouldnít care because they will always have others that will buy from them. For example, I have a few condoís that I rent out and do have some bad tenants. They gripe and b*tch over petty sh!t, always pay late, get quite a few complaints from the HOA about them, and threaten to move out, and I couldnít care less. I know that I will have someone else that will rent it if they do decide to vacate.
Yup, I think that attitude is pretty clear in Nissanís business practices.
Whoís to say they are wrong? Iíve been jerked around by them (corporate and dealerships - plural) for decades, and still own two. Shame on me!

Truth is, they (Nissans) are a (pretty) good product, at a decent price. The difference in your analogy, though, is that you have a very limited number of residential units. Nissan does not sell 100% of its manufacturing capacity. OTOH, if they have to drop pricing to to that, it might not be worth the effort.

A rising tide floats all boats. When the Hyundaiís and Kias of the world come up with well priced and well built, good driving cars, every manyfacturer needs to up their game just that much more. Wait another 30 years, until the Chinese makers are there!!!
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Yup, I think that attitude is pretty clear in Nissanís business practices.
Whoís to say they are wrong? Iíve been jerked around by them (corporate and dealerships - plural) for decades, and still own two. Shame on me!

Truth is, they (Nissans) are a (pretty) good product, at a decent price. The difference in your analogy, though, is that you have a very limited number of residential units. Nissan does not sell 100% of its manufacturing capacity. OTOH, if they have to drop pricing to to that, it might not be worth the effort.

A rising tide floats all boats. When the Hyundaiís and Kias of the world come up with well priced and well built, good driving cars, every manyfacturer needs to up their game just that much more. Wait another 30 years, until the Chinese makers are there!!!

Exactly.... the true enthusiast isn't riding on sales of a Maxima, Altima Rogue... in my eyes they're the same as a Sorrento or Camry. Accord or whatever mundane utilitarian crap that's out there. None of the top 10 brands have anything to worry about... ever. When it comes to cars like that, price to features is what matters. And with this new market. ALMOST NO CARS have good resale... All the residual value have gone to trucks and crossover. The only sports cars with good resale are Porsche. And the only NON crossover cars are Lexus Audi Toyota. All very bland looking vehicles with dramatically awful bumpers.

RWD Performance coupes $50,000 and under.
370z
Camaro
Mustang
BMW 2 series
Infiniti Q60
Lexus Rc

Of these choices... Only the first 3 feel special behind the wheel.


RWD Performance sedans under 50,000.
Alfa Romeo Giulia.
Infiniti Q50
Kia Stinger
BMW 3 series
Jaguar xe

Imho... Only the Giulia drives above the other 4. The other 4 drive neck and neck. Our choices are way smaller than 20+ years ago And instead of cars trying to stand out in the crowd. They are trying to be a spin off of there competitor. That's true of every car brand. Not just Hyundai. . I remember when Nissan had like 5 or 6 performance oriented cars that all had individual characteristics. Mazda was like that too. The fun in cars are DYING. So we are gonna bash the last of the pioneers for the sports car enthusiast???? Really? Is that what being an enthusiast has become in this shytty market.

We bash the guy doing something n defend the guy destroying the market which we love?

I dunno man. .
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Or, you can look at it the way Porsche does- it's the SUV sales that allow them to put out some of the wilder variants of the 911. RS division exists thanks to the rich soccer moms who have graduated from Caravans to Cayennes.
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60 years old tomorrow.

Been driving motorcycles and pickup trucks most of my life. (cars are for the missus)

Pure impulse, I bought a 2010 Z roadster a few weeks ago. Knew nothing about them.
But it was so dang beautiful sitting there with no top on it. And the test drive revealed an amazing tight car that was just shear FUN to hustle in.

So....... this thread...... I just read it all.

It probably sounds very different to me than all the long time Z loyalists. (I certainly can't claim to be one) But nothing I read here has diminished my new found honeymoon love affair with the Z.

I had no idea it was a dinosaur. Lol
I thought it was a classic, a legend, a cult followed masterpiece. I'm just late to the party.

Did I mention you can get these in fantastic condition for a song & dance?

However nice that new Kia might be, it's a looooong looooong ways from owning the kind of heritage the Z will always have.





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Congrats on your. New ride. It's beautiful.
The Z is everything you said it is and more. Tight is a beautiful way to describe the Z. And yes it is a classic.
The Z is an amazing car. We'd never expect a sedan to take the spot of a two seater coupe. The Kia is a fun daily saloon, the Z is a sports car.
We just want the Z to be competitive within its own segment. We just have some fanboys mixing the two IDEALOGIES where it doesn't belong.
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Hello snakebite!
Happy b-day and congrats. The Z is one fine car, you will enjoy it. You may need to put an elastic chin strap on your stetson though with that convertible, don't want to loose it now. Enjoy!
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Nice ride Snakebite!! I think this was a good discussion topic lol!! Either way at the end of the day we all still love the Z, or better yet have passion about cool cars!
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Hello snakebite!
Happy b-day and congrats. The Z is one fine car, you will enjoy it. You may need to put an elastic chin strap on your stetson though with that convertible, don't want to loose it now. Enjoy!
I've already got a hat-system.

Regular cowboy hat up to about 55mph.
(which is above the speed limit in any part of my small town. So folks that have known me for 25 years, and NEVER seen me without the hat or pickup truck , will certainly be saying to each other "is that who I think it is?" when I whistle past)

Once outta town, or being a hooligan on the back roads, I have a new silver Nissan Z baseball cap sitting in the passenger seat.

Bought it at a Nissan dealership when I went to get a second key fob programmed.

Thanks for the welcome fellas.

Today IS my birthday. How the heck did you know? Technically, the little roadster is a gift to myself for behaving, for the most part, until my kids got grown up. Time to get in a little mischief. My youngest is now a county sheriff deputy. Might come in handy?

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When this thread started 1 year 5 months and some weeks ago. This was not true. What could've made this change so suddenly?

Kia growing drastically from 2017 to 2018. Proving that having a solid performance car boosts sales.

https://press.kia.com/eu/en/home/med...017_sales.html

HYUNDAI expanding Montgomery plant.

https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com...ery/650951002/

Nissan LOSING market share and cutting production.
IF Nissan thought the Z was an important car? They'd be expanding like Kia/Hyundai. The Halo effect is a sales magnet.

https://jalopnik.com/nissan-is-slash...-20-1826384273

WHEN Isuzu had the Impulse... they were selling like hotcakes. They had one of the most attention grabbing commercial series of the 80's. The kinda helped revolutionize advertising along with selling a crap load of Impluse, Amigo and Rodeo vehicles. Then isuzu decided to focus only on economy cars...

Where are they now?

Isuzu flashback
https://youtu.be/nJMq_7alQpU
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FWIW, on-track comparison between Mustang GT and Kia Stinger.

https://youtu.be/rdsxfTJiTVw

I cannot get the audio to work on my computer right now, but this is at a track near me, and drivers are track instructors.

Mustang GT 1:22.10
Stinger 1:25.66

I don't know how each vehicle was appointed, or what mods might be on the Mustang.

Take what you want from it, but I thought it was interesting.
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FWIW, on-track comparison between Mustang GT and Kia Stinger.

https://youtu.be/rdsxfTJiTVw

I cannot get the audio to work on my computer right now, but this is at a track near me, and drivers are track instructors.

Mustang GT 1:22.10
Stinger 1:25.66

I don't know how each vehicle was appointed, or what mods might be on the Mustang.

Take what you want from it, but I thought it was interesting.


Cool video. That Kia has great launch dynamics! Looks good too.
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The Korean Trio beat PORSCHE for BEST INITIAL QUALITY!!


https://jalopnik.com/genesis-hyundai...201-1827016493

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