Concerns Over New Product

sx moneypit · 03-02-2022, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cv129

VR30 motor has existed for ages now.
Chassis and suspension are carried over from Z34.
Center stack is just carried over setup from other Nissan’s and Infiniti’s.
Same Akebono calipers.
Now external CSC!!!!!
Can’t comment on the 9 speed auto though.

Nothing ground breaking, nothing new here. If anything, you can consider it a mechanically improved version of Z34. In this case, I don’t have reservation to be an early bird.

vtec to vvel · 09-04-2022, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sportsman2003

The manual 370Z has a problem with the CSC ( concentric slave cylinder )
these need to be replaced with an aftermarket unit to be reliable.

I would hope that Nissan addressed this problem in the new model, only time will tell.

The CSC issue has been around since the 350Z days (starting with the HR model I believe) and got carried over to the Z34’s.

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Originally Posted by Andaesthetics

The CSC is external now and I can't remember but I think they said it was made from a carbon composite material or something. Not exactly sure but it has definitely been addressed this much they confirmed.

I thought the CSC was still internal. Can someone confirm the CSC is external from the factory?

SeeThruHead · 09-04-2022, 01:49 PM

https://youtu.be/ekEM3VyaDow?t=373

vtec to vvel · 09-04-2022, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SeeThruHead

https://youtu.be/ekEM3VyaDow?t=373

I'm just coming out of hibernation and getting up to speed.

When did Nissan make the CSC external? And is this just for the new Z (post 370Z models)?

And Nissan finally sees the PITA/nonsense of an internal CSC, but prob still uses the same plastic junk as the 350Z/370Z models.

SeeThruHead · 09-04-2022, 03:02 PM

no such thing as an "external csc". doesn't make any sense, the c stands for concentric.

This picture is the 2023 Nissan Z. (that's what you asked about) The CSC has been removed and they have used an external slave cylinder and fork.

No idea what the external slave cylinder is made of, but it's easy to replace if it breaks.
All 370z have a CSC, replacing it usually leads to a second failure. Most people purchase a CMAK kit to move to an external slave cylinder, which works the same way the 2023 Z system works.

vtec to vvel · 09-04-2022, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Andaesthetics

The CSC is external now and I can't remember but I think they said it was made from a carbon composite material or something. Not exactly sure but it has definitely been addressed this much they confirmed.

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Originally Posted by SeeThruHead

no such thing as an "external csc". doesn't make any sense, the c stands for concentric.

This picture is the 2023 Nissan Z. (that's what you asked about) The CSC has been removed and they have used an external slave cylinder and fork.

No idea what the external slave cylinder is made of, but it's easy to replace if it breaks.
All 370z have a CSC, replacing it usually leads to a second failure. Most people purchase a CMAK kit to move to an external slave cylinder, which works the same way the 2023 Z system works.

1. Read the quote from another member. I know what the "C" stands for. I was asking for confirmation on what another member stated about the CSC being external.

2. My original question/request was if someone could confirm the CSC was external from factory, which you posted a picture from what I thought was stock, and hence my follow up questions on if this is for real on Nissan relocating the CSC to the outside of the tranny housing vs the inside and if so, when this started happening.

3. I know the 350/370Z's have a CSC that is prone to failure (going through this right now unfortunately) and I know which kit most recommend between Z1 and ZSpeed.

4. If Nissan has not addressed the CSC issue/materials it's made from, then most likely is the same sh!t from the 350Z's.

SeeThruHead · 09-04-2022, 05:16 PM

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CSC being external.

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CSC was external from factory

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relocating the CSC to the outside

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CSC issue/materials it's made from

I hope you can understand why anyone would think you don't know what you're talking about.

4. The new cylinder shares nothing in common with the parts on the 350z or 370z. Nissan changed it because they were aware of the issue finally. I'm sure it will work fine. And if it fails, like all parts eventually do, it's a 5 min replacement.

vtec to vvel · 09-04-2022, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Andaesthetics

The CSC is external now and I can't remember but I think they said it was made from a carbon composite material or something. Not exactly sure but it has definitely been addressed this much they confirmed.

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Originally Posted by SeeThruHead

I hope you can understand why anyone would think you don't know what you're talking about.

4. The new cylinder shares nothing in common with the parts on the 350z or 370z. Nissan changed it because they were aware of the issue finally. I'm sure it will work fine. And if it fails, like all parts eventually do, it's a 5 min replacement.

Lol ok internet expert, got it. Once again, read what another member posted. For your convenience, I quoted said member again above. I hope you can understand why I would ask the questions I previously did.

And again, I don't know too much about the new Z, which is why, again, I asked my questions.

Rusty · 09-04-2022, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by vtec to vvel

Lol ok internet expert, got it. Once again, read what another member posted. For your convenience, I quoted said member again above. I hope you can understand why I would ask the questions I previously did.

And again, I don't know too much about the new Z, which is why, again, I asked my questions.

All 370Z have the internal slave cylinder. The new Z has the external slave cylinder. Your internal is failing. Get the SpeedZ CMAK kit. The Z1 kit has issues.

coyoteboy · 09-06-2022, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

Generally, I would agree that first gen iterations are not the wisest purchase. However, the new Z is far from a first iteration. The motor, drivetrain, and chassis have all been around for years. I would be more concerned about the CSC issue than overall reliability.

He said, as all of the new Z cars are put on hold/no sell warnings, to recall a fault in the auto box that causes roll-aways...

SophiaZ · 09-06-2022, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by coyoteboy

He said, as all of the new Z cars are put on hold/no sell warnings, to recall a fault in the auto box that causes roll-aways...

On hold/no sell..am I misunderstanding or are you saying they can't sell them yet?

09-04-2022, 01:49 PM	#18 (permalink)
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SeeThruHead Track Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Toronto Posts: 715 Drives: Red '18 Sport Manual Rep Power: 23497	no such thing as an "external csc". doesn't make any sense, the c stands for concentric. This picture is the 2023 Nissan Z. (that's what you asked about) The CSC has been removed and they have used an external slave cylinder and fork. No idea what the external slave cylinder is made of, but it's easy to replace if it breaks. All 370z have a CSC, replacing it usually leads to a second failure. Most people purchase a CMAK kit to move to an external slave cylinder, which works the same way the 2023 Z system works. __________________ My Build thread STH Build Plan Thread Images too big fix here

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