[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

thekinn · 02-04-2021, 08:53 PM

Who knows.. these people say they know what engine will be in it, and it will be released later this year.?

Infiniti 400 Red Sport engine confirmed for Nissan Z Proto

https://autos.yahoo.com/infiniti-400...203600312.html

Ben Hsu
Thu, February 4, 2021, 2:36 PM·2 min read

There has been much speculation about the Nissan Z Proto's engine. We've long suspected that the Z concept was powered by the 400-horsepower twin-turbo V6 from the Infiniti 400 Red Sport series. Now that hunch has been confirmed by photos of the Z Proto's engine bay.

Though it's a fully running concept, Nissan has never opened the hood of the Z Proto for the press. However, a lucky photog happened to be at the Nissan Crossing showroom in the ritzy Ginza shopping district of Tokyo just as workers had the hood popped. The venue is a popular showcase for Nissan's latest and greatest, and displays rotate frequently. This looks like an after-hours change over, but Instagrammer layersworks was able to take a few shots through the large picture window.

While the engine cover on the Z Proto is different than the one shrouding the Infiniti Q50 and Q60 400 Red Sport, there are other clues that point to the VR30DDTT. The biggest one are the three coolant caps situated at the front of the engine bay. With two staggered ones on the left of the image and one on the right, they're positioned exactly like they are in the Infiniti. Between the two columns of caps, there are coolant hoses in the same orientation as on the Infiniti.

The engines are known to be underrated from the factory by respected tuners, and put out at-the-wheels horsepower ratings that are close to or match the official figures taken at the crankshaft. Since its introduction in 2016, there have also been a slew of aftermarket options made available. All this is to say that the Nissan Z could be a performance bargain.

Nissan has confirmed that the Z will go on sale later this year.

via The Drive.

viiv · 02-12-2021, 05:54 AM

Pretty much the most reliable news outlet in Japan says March 2022 release date for the Z (which aligns with the job 1 production start in January 2022 Carmaker1 and NissanFreak81 have reported):

https://bestcarweb.jp/news/scoop/246804

Also, a refresh with a mild-hybrid for the GTR by the end of next year.

Disclaimer: while this is what is PLANNED, still not holding my breath as Nissan executives could pull the plug on those plans at any time with the red ink and pandemic.

z-ya-later · 03-10-2021, 12:25 AM

Another 1:

takemorepills · 03-22-2021, 02:56 PM

Oh hell yes!

pakman370z · 03-22-2021, 05:18 PM

I like what I'm seeing. I wonder how the monthly lease rates will look.

Lvcky69 · 03-22-2021, 05:19 PM

400z with different color. Sadly this one is auto

https://www.carscoops.com/2021/03/20...looks-amazing/

Andaesthetics · 03-22-2021, 05:43 PM

Also noticed that body pillars and roof line are body color instead of black. And the car is in LA right now as he said.

He calls it "400Z" but I don't see any emblems or badging anywhere to confirm that.

FPenvy · 03-23-2021, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Andaesthetics

Also noticed that body pillars and roof line are body color instead of black. And the car is in LA right now as he said.

He calls it "400Z" but I don't see any emblems or badging anywhere to confirm that.

badges are all covered in his pics and videos.

also, i like the little lip spoiler actually makes the rear look better than without one.

i noticed it doesnt have GTR brakes on this model. makes me wonder if they were for show or a special higher trim level like the Nismo.

steering wheel looks really weird like the top half is way to large of an opening.

1/4atatime · 03-23-2021, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

badges are all covered in his pics and videos.

also, i like the little lip spoiler actually makes the rear look better than without one.

i noticed it doesnt have GTR brakes on this model. makes me wonder if they were for show or a special higher trim level like the Nismo.

steering wheel looks really weird like the top half is way to large of an opening.

This looks like a lower trim to me. I am thinking this is the base model and I have a feeling it will have lower HP. I'm thinking 350~375hp for the base and the price will be right under 40k like $39,995 the sport .model will get a hp increase to ~400hp with gtr brakes and other stuff for $43k~ Nismo version will be 450hp for right under $50k but that's just my guess.

1/4atatime · 03-22-2021, 06:12 PM

O good more chip delays looks like a fire at one of the chip manufactures for Nissan https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56486242

Rusty · 03-22-2021, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 1/4atatime

O good more chip delays looks like a fire at one of the chip manufactures for Nissan https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56486242

Ford is building F150's with no computers in them. They are letting them sit until they can get the computers.

takemorepills · 03-22-2021, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 1/4atatime

Ok now the Z looks fire in this color. The spoiler on the rear really ties it together. However honest opinion I don't think I'd buy one. The reason is simple I can almost guarantee I will be able to make one on my existing 370z much cheaper than I can buy one. The chassis is the same basically so if I wanted I should be able to take the body panels off the 400z and put them on the 370z (or someone will make a body kit) I can already drop a vr30 in the 370z for cheap (those motors are not expensive) and I enjoy the physical guages more than the digital ones in the interior. Add in the cost increase we will see and I bet I could do it a good bit cheaper than buying a new one and selling my old one.

Edit: So taking the Maxima price increase it got for 2009 to 2021 model it's a 7k increase for the base model. I expect the same or more for the Z which in my opinion isn't going to fly with consumers.

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Originally Posted by 1/4atatime

I know I've read tons of comments on other sites of people saying they won't spend 40k+ on a low-mid trim level Nissan. I don't think it's so much the price to performance that's the problem but rather peoples perceptions of spending 40k on a Nissan. Nissan really damaged they reputation when they had issues with their transmission, started basically signing payment plans to anyone who walked through the door, and started trying to cheap out on their cars. I know lots of people that used to buy Nissan cars but won't touch them with a 10ft poll anymore everyone says they felt cheap to them. I really like my 370Z but lets be real here the 370z didn't sell that many especially compared to the 350z. And not even enough to have Nissan consider refreshing it for a decade. Those sales numbers for the 370z especially the last few years are no where near enough to make Nissan consider selling another one if this one sells the same. And no one can say sports cars can't sell in large amount just look at the C8 it's selling faster than any other car in the lot. Heck the Supra which everyone claims doesn't sell well outsold the 370z 3:1

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Originally Posted by 1/4atatime

O good more chip delays looks like a fire at one of the chip manufactures for Nissan https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56486242

Man 1/4, you seem really conflicted here! 1st you are gonna just do a panel swap (good luck with rear end and 1/4's). Then lament the "quality issues" of Nissan. But, obviously you do like this car enough to pay attention to chip shortages! (BTW, please don't think I am picking on you, I can tell you actually secretly like the car)

I predict the 300Z Twin Turbo (400Z) will sell more than the 370Z. I've been a Z guy for a long time, and I have tolerated Nissan QC issues for a LONG time also! I've owned my Titan forever and love it, have had Z31, Z32, S12 V6's, Maximas, QX4, Q60, etc. I quickly dismissed the 350Z as too "plasticky" with way too much Renault vibes going on, and I also considered the 370Z as somewhat ugly....and I was also resenting that Nissan wasn't building Twin Turbos anymore.
Well, here we are. I am DEFINITELY buying a 300Z Twin Turbo.
There isn't anything wrong with the Z34 chassis (to me, IMO). It was ugly and un-boosted, now it is way less ugly, Twin-Turbo'ed and called Z35 (probably).

I feel the price will be OK. The new TLX-S (another car I am mulling...my other Japanese car love was the Vigor and Legends) is going to be "low-50's" according to Acura. True, it'll be AWD and 4 door, it's more of a Q50 AWD 300HP killer. The upcoming IS500 (another car I really really like....reliability!) will be in the 60's supposedly.
If a 400+HP 300Z Twin Turbo is what we get at low $40's, for a low-volume, twin turbo, 2 seater heritage car, I am totally happy. I feel it is a fair price.
The power, if 400HP+, will be outstanding, the interior is WAYYYYY better than the 370Z (I do agree with you on the instrument cluster, I too would prefer real gauges over LCD) and the car is really very basic for a 2022 vehicle. It still has a hand brake, even with the auto. I think even the CTR has an EPB.
Nissan has made GREAT improvements in the interior quality lately, now that Ghosn is gone I think the cheapness at Nissan is gone too.

I will do whatever it takes to get one of these cars without ADM.

1/4atatime · 03-22-2021, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by takemorepills

Man 1/4, you seem really conflicted here! 1st you are gonna just do a panel swap (good luck with rear end and 1/4's). Then lament the "quality issues" of Nissan. But, obviously you do like this car enough to pay attention to chip shortages! (BTW, please don't think I am picking on you, I can tell you actually secretly like the car)

I predict the 300Z Twin Turbo (400Z) will sell more than the 370Z. I've been a Z guy for a long time, and I have tolerated Nissan QC issues for a LONG time also! I've owned my Titan forever and love it, have had Z31, Z32, S12 V6's, Maximas, QX4, Q60, etc. I quickly dismissed the 350Z as too "plasticky" with way too much Renault vibes going on, and I also considered the 370Z as somewhat ugly....and I was also resenting that Nissan wasn't building Twin Turbos anymore.
Well, here we are. I am DEFINITELY buying a 300Z Twin Turbo.
There isn't anything wrong with the Z34 chassis (to me, IMO). It was ugly and un-boosted, now it is way less ugly, Twin-Turbo'ed and called Z35 (probably).

I feel the price will be OK. The new TLX-S (another car I am mulling...my other Japanese car love was the Vigor and Legends) is going to be "low-50's" according to Acura. True, it'll be AWD and 4 door, it's more of a Q50 AWD 300HP killer. The upcoming IS500 (another car I really really like....reliability!) will be in the 60's supposedly.
If a 400+HP 300Z Twin Turbo is what we get at low $40's, for a low-volume, twin turbo, 2 seater heritage car, I am totally happy. I feel it is a fair price.
The power, if 400HP+, will be outstanding, the interior is WAYYYYY better than the 370Z (I do agree with you on the instrument cluster, I too would prefer real gauges over LCD) and the car is really very basic for a 2022 vehicle. It still has a hand brake, even with the auto. I think even the CTR has an EPB.
Nissan has made GREAT improvements in the interior quality lately, now that Ghosn is gone I think the cheapness at Nissan is gone too.

I will do whatever it takes to get one of these cars without ADM.

I don't think your picking on me at all. I'm honestly just being slightly harsh on the car. Mainly because I was hoping we would get something more than just a heavy refresh (although I knew it wouldn't happen with Nissans financial issues). I think for new people looking to get into this will be good if Nissans quality has really come up and there are enough dealerships not going bankrupt to take on inventory for people to get hands on time with. However for people with existing cars in some ways this is cool because our cars aren't obsolete. Instead we can buy a vr30 motor drop it in and get the same performance as the new Z or we can go full turbo and make a 1500+hp monster like SOHO is doing. I want the new Z to succeed but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried about Nissans future especially with covid-19 and chip shortages. I'm definitely going to try and take a test drive in one for sure but I'd probably put that cash towards a full turbo system. The 370z still looks so amazing even after 10 years on the road and I hope the already slightly polarizing body style on the 400z makes just as much of an impression.

Bonzo · 03-31-2021, 12:42 PM

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I predict the 300Z Twin Turbo (400Z) will sell more than the 370Z.

I predict you are dead wrong, at least in the U.S. market. The 370Z didn't sell well in the U.S. for many reasons (none of which are for the reasons you mention). The new Z will sell worse than the 370Z, mark my words. Not just because the car isn't spectacular (its not), but because the current market just doesn't support such a car well.

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I also considered the 370Z as somewhat ugly....There isn't anything wrong with the Z34 chassis (to me, IMO). It was ugly...now it is way less ugly....

Well as we know, aesthetics are purely in the eye of the beholder. I have always considered the 370Z as what a modern FWD poor mans Porsche would look like, and I say even after 12 years it still looks modern, fresh, and spectacular. This new Z, at least from pictures, looks like an attempt to take the front of a 240Z, a rear end of a 300ZX, and make it look like a poor mans Jag / Aston. I think they did a decent job at it. But in pictures it looks boring as hell. Not ugly, just boring. I'll hold final judgement until I see it in person. But for you to find the 370Z ugly and this car amazing enough to buy cracks me up. You must not like Porsches.

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The power, if 400HP+, will be outstanding,

Well for the U.S. market, in the current HP wars market, it will be considered WAY lacking, one of the reasons this new car won't sell well at all.

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The interior is WAYYYYY better than the 370Z (I do agree with you on the instrument cluster, I too would prefer real gauges over LCD) and the car is really very basic for a 2022 vehicle. It still has a hand brake, even with the auto. I think even the CTR has an EPB.

WAYYYY better? What kind of weed are you smoking? It's merely an update on what was already a nice interior. They added new tech, and something had to give. WAYYYY better? Yet from what we have seen in pics, the door interiors are exactly the same, the center arm rest is basically the same, the 3 gauge cluster is basically the same, and so are the climate controls. You say its WAYYYY better, yet you would prefer an analog instrument cluster (as do I, hence why I like the 370 more than the new Z cluster). The 370Z has been a great interior since the beginning. Lacking modern gizmos doesn't change that. The new interior isn't WAYYYY better, its just slightly different to accommodate modern tech. People like you will be trashing this interior in 5 years just because it's missing some new tech or they haven't added some bright yellow stitching. I say a big whatever.

While you will be rushing out to buy the new Z, I think many people like me will not. I find it hard to believe a large number of current 370Z owners would switch just to switch. 350 to 370, for sure. 370 to (400), not so much. I think the largest contingent of buyers will be people like you, who skipped the 370, haven't had one for a while, or are all new to the market.

Of course, all just my opinion, as was your post.

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takemorepills · 03-31-2021, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonzo

I predict you are dead wrong, at least in the U.S. market. The 370Z didn't sell well in the U.S. for many reasons (none of which are for the reasons you mention). The new Z will sell worse than the 370Z, mark my words. Not just because the car isn't spectacular (its not), but because the current market just doesn't support such a car well.

Well as we know, aesthetics are purely in the eye of the beholder. I have always considered the 370Z as what a modern FWD poor mans Porsche would look like, and I say even after 12 years it still looks modern, fresh, and spectacular. This new Z, at least from pictures, looks like an attempt to take the front of a 240Z, a rear end of a 300ZX, and make it look like a poor mans Jag / Aston. I think they did a decent job at it. But in pictures it looks boring as hell. Not ugly, just boring. I'll hold final judgement until I see it in person. But for you to find the 370Z ugly and this car amazing enough to buy cracks me up. You must not like Porsches.

Well for the U.S. market, in the current HP wars market, it will be considered WAY lacking, one of the reasons this new car won't sell well at all.

WAYYYY better? What kind of weed are you smoking? It's merely an update on what was already a nice interior. They added new tech, and something had to give. WAYYYY better? Yet from what we have seen in pics, the door interiors are exactly the same, the center arm rest is basically the same, the 3 gauge cluster is basically the same, and so are the climate controls. You say its WAYYYY better, yet you would prefer an analog instrument cluster (as do I, hence why I like the 370 more than the new Z cluster). The 370Z has been a great interior since the beginning. Lacking modern gizmos doesn't change that. The new interior isn't WAYYYY better, its just slightly different to accommodate modern tech. People like you will be trashing this interior in 5 years just because it's missing some new tech or they haven't added some bright yellow stitching. I say a big whatever.

While you will be rushing out to buy the new Z, I think many people like me will not. I find it hard to believe a large number of current 370Z owners would switch just to switch. 350 to 370, for sure. 370 to (400), not so much. I think the largest contingent of buyers will be people like you, who skipped the 370, haven't had one for a while, or are all new to the market.

Of course, all just my opinion, as was your post.

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Wow, who pissed in your coffee this morning? Very salty opinions!

02-04-2021, 08:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
thekinn Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 207 Drives: 06 350Z LS MT Rep Power: 6862	Who knows.. these people say they know what engine will be in it, and it will be released later this year.? Infiniti 400 Red Sport engine confirmed for Nissan Z Proto https://autos.yahoo.com/infiniti-400...203600312.html Ben Hsu Thu, February 4, 2021, 2:36 PM·2 min read There has been much speculation about the Nissan Z Proto's engine. We've long suspected that the Z concept was powered by the 400-horsepower twin-turbo V6 from the Infiniti 400 Red Sport series. Now that hunch has been confirmed by photos of the Z Proto's engine bay. Though it's a fully running concept, Nissan has never opened the hood of the Z Proto for the press. However, a lucky photog happened to be at the Nissan Crossing showroom in the ritzy Ginza shopping district of Tokyo just as workers had the hood popped. The venue is a popular showcase for Nissan's latest and greatest, and displays rotate frequently. This looks like an after-hours change over, but Instagrammer layersworks was able to take a few shots through the large picture window. While the engine cover on the Z Proto is different than the one shrouding the Infiniti Q50 and Q60 400 Red Sport, there are other clues that point to the VR30DDTT. The biggest one are the three coolant caps situated at the front of the engine bay. With two staggered ones on the left of the image and one on the right, they're positioned exactly like they are in the Infiniti. Between the two columns of caps, there are coolant hoses in the same orientation as on the Infiniti. The engines are known to be underrated from the factory by respected tuners, and put out at-the-wheels horsepower ratings that are close to or match the official figures taken at the crankshaft. Since its introduction in 2016, there have also been a slew of aftermarket options made available. All this is to say that the Nissan Z could be a performance bargain. Nissan has confirmed that the Z will go on sale later this year. via The Drive. __________________ 06 Enthusiast MT - v2

02-12-2021, 05:54 AM	#2 (permalink)
viiv Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Montreal Posts: 294 Drives: 20 Nissan 370Z PR M6 Rep Power: 34017	Pretty much the most reliable news outlet in Japan says March 2022 release date for the Z (which aligns with the job 1 production start in January 2022 Carmaker1 and NissanFreak81 have reported): https://bestcarweb.jp/news/scoop/246804 Also, a refresh with a mild-hybrid for the GTR by the end of next year. Disclaimer: while this is what is PLANNED, still not holding my breath as Nissan executives could pull the plug on those plans at any time with the red ink and pandemic. Last edited by viiv; 02-12-2021 at 06:03 AM.

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pakman370z Base Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: chicago Posts: 25 Drives: 14 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 10	I like what I'm seeing. I wonder how the monthly lease rates will look. Last edited by pakman370z; 03-22-2021 at 05:28 PM.

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Andaesthetics Base Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: PA Posts: 115 Drives: 14' Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 3362	Also noticed that body pillars and roof line are body color instead of black. And the car is in LA right now as he said. He calls it "400Z" but I don't see any emblems or badging anywhere to confirm that. Last edited by Andaesthetics; 03-22-2021 at 05:49 PM.

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1/4atatime Base Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: VA Posts: 179 Drives: Silver 2018 370z Rep Power: 6716	O good more chip delays looks like a fire at one of the chip manufactures for Nissan https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56486242 __________________ Did any of my post help you or just feeling nice?Give Rep\|Add me to your friends list\|View My Build "The real you is who you are when ain't nobody watchin" - NF

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z-ya-later Base Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Florida Posts: 18 Drives: 14 Nissan 370z GM A7 Rep Power: 3362	Another 1:

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Lvcky69 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Miami Posts: 385 Drives: 17 370z & 16 911 S Rep Power: 3923	400z with different color. Sadly this one is auto https://www.carscoops.com/2021/03/20...looks-amazing/

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