Those wheels are Z wheels, aren't they?

Rendering from "TOPSPEED"
"Well, at TopSpeed, we’re tired of waiting, so we went ahead and rendered up what the next Z-car could look like"
2018 Nissan Z | car review @ Top Speed

I think top speed got the potential rear window so wrong.... they made a maxima coupe. Not a Z. The front looks more believable.

^ Render looks Ok at best. That corporate grill should definitely go away.

$60K for next new Z35?
 

Not to mention the fact that mazda, while being a significantly smaller company than nissan, managed to make the miata a hell of a lot lighter while upping it's horsepower and keeping it at the same price point as the previous generation


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Please NOOO!!!!

Gross looks like Hyundai genesis coupe:roflpuke2:

I believe the previous gen miata was 158-167HP respectively. The current miata is 155HP. But the weight reduction was well over 200lbs with even more features, more safety and more luxury.

So you're right! If miata can do it for a mid $20K car. We can definitely do it.

Well if this is the direction that their going, looks like I will be looking at another Vette!!

A lot of you are decrying an "upmarket" move. But you forget, that the Z32 TT was that upmarket move 26 years ago. The Z32 was Nissan's 3rd or 4th iteration of the Z car, and it was time to make that move. The Z was always meant to be a cheaper alternative to a Corvette. But the Z32 TT met that generation Corvette in terms of price, performance, yada yada...If anything, a car maker, a movie actor, etc. stays too long in some mold, then it becomes typecast as that mold forever; I know, this is getting philosophical.

Plus remember, the Skyline R32 GT-R wasn't legal for the U.S. then, so the Z32 TT was Nissan's halo car. Now that the GT-R R35 has been here, Nissan won't put as many of their eggs into the upcoming Z-basket. It's too intensive for carmakers to do this in terms of investment, time, energy. The GT-R is the direct competitor to the Corvette now, becuase it's obvious the C7 will smoke the Z.

...However, using that logic, the Z35 could be a direct competitor to the Camaro V8. The Camaro is a "cheaper alternative" to the Corvette akin to how the Z is to the GT-R. The Camaro V8 is a high performer, at least straight line, and perhaps Nissan will try to keep abreast of the Camaro V8 both literally and figuratively....I'm sure Nissan execs are aware that 300ish HP isn't a lot these days. 400 is the new benchmark;)

People are forgetting there will be several configurations for each budget. A light nimble 4 banger turbo. Possibly the mid-range touring car with 300HP and the balls to the wall Nismo. N possibly an even beefier Nismo rs.

I was worried about jumping ship based on a Z not being built. I have all faith if the Z will have an upmarket price it will compete in the upmarket segment. Nissan won't risk another unsuccessful generation like the Z34. That's why all the models. I believe the 4 banger will actually rival our stats now with less power. I truly believe that. The 300HP will be a smidgen faster and the nismos will be insane.

I think they negativity is based more on fear of lack of affordability of the most desired Z.

I remember reading one of FPenvy's thread last year about him going to a auto show, he said he spoke to one of the Infiniti reps that was there about the next gen Z. Needless to say the rep said the VR engine is too expensive for y'all Nissan owners which I thought was messed up lol

I can't seem to find that post but maybe FPenvy can chime in on what happened at that auto show

And some of the members on here aren't "dreaming" when they want a lighter and faster Z, because I think they're going based on numerous articles in the past about Nissan head designer chief saying and I quote, "I want to keep the weight down and the speed up", take it for what you will but I think some of these speculations by the members are true

I don't think the Z will get lighter but if it does that would be great. They always shared the platform with the G37 and other vehicles which I think is the reason why its kind of on the heavy side. But I guess we could dream that Nissan will make a whole new chassis for the Z and it could be sub 3000lbs. Even if they are making something to that extent I don't see it coming out for a long time, like some have said in this thread R&D takes up a boat load of time. Then again I wouldn't mind if they discontinued the Z, when I had my S2K the fault on it was that it was never really updated throughout its MY production and that it was old compared to the new stuff out. Then when it went out of production and I just felt like everyone stopped picking at it and appreciated for what it was. I think that could be a similar scenario if they decide to axe the Z.

I notice Z reviews have become much more positive. It was amazing how the mainstream media pummeled Z performance. I always thought the Z had the most character of all the cars in its class.
I believe the media was pushing power over the senses. And pushing people to believe you can't have both in one car. The Z did fit that bill. But if you go on past threads here.you'll see a bunch of consumer drones falling into that hype, selling their Z and buying a mustang and a lightweight sports car. One did it and 20 followed. But one of them. Came back to a Z and in a personal message to me admitted the mustang had a lot of power, was lifeless n had no soul.

Unfortunately, the truth is the media has too much influence on the American people. And thank God for independent enthusiasts and unbiased Z reviews. Now the unmediafied truth is coming out.

There's two types of enthusiasts. The one that's looking for the car that stirs their soul the most.

And the one that wants to out-perform and out everything their neighbors. Those are the ones that fuel America's economy. They are the true consumers.

My personal view for what I think the Z-35 could be:
We will probably see the engine packages that is in the new Infinite line up.
3.0 L, turbo charged and direct injector, this is direction most manufactures are taking to meet the new emissions and fuel standards.
Platform is good, this is great handling car for what it is.
Interior will get some up grades and still maintain the Z theme
As far as the body is concerned Nissan needs to a 100% more better than the patch job they did on the 15 Nismo. Nissan needs to bring in the "Wow Factor" like Ford did with the new Mustang.

Well said :iagree:

Oops!

Well myspace was created before facebook but lets be honest no one uses myspace any more... lol

Joking on the analogy, well I guess that dude had it even before I did for a guess for motors/price. Smart man!!

I wouldn't say we are dreaming. They have talked specifically about making the Z lighter... Even if it stayed the same we would be talking 3200-3300 pounds and the V6TT motor VR30DTT with 400hp already exists. So 400hp and 3200 pounds isn't dreaming.

I'm sure years ago when the Mustang GT guys had a 305hp motor someone saying next year the engine will have 425hp... They would have all said no way that's exotic car horsepower... THen the engine drops in. ;)


My guess is the Z will be around 3200 pounds and the motor will be increased slightly (415-420hp) as they always give the Z a little more power then the G/Q platforms. THis will be for V6TT model.
4 cylinder will probably have 240hp and weigh 2900 pounds and the Nismo version will have 440hp

i think it's dumb for anyone to tell anyone that they are wrong or that they are dreaming.

the fact is, no one in here knows anything. it's all speculation. i can speculate that the next Z will be on 26" rims and be a 4x4 and be gold plated. it's become like a b!tch fest in here. i'm right, you're wrong. enjoy what you got right now and worry about the next Z when and if it comes out.

you can bet it will have the Twin turbo 3.0 motor in it. Infiniti just released the specs on the new Q60. There is no way the Z wouldn't have that and the G/Q would. Even the Q50 sedans have it, and two options 300 HP and 400 HP, But we know that :)

...and I do not mean any disrespect but, if you are going to enter, b!tch about people b!tching, then you are just adding to it...

and i don't mean any disrespect, but if you are going to enter and b!tch about me b!tiching, wouldn't you be just adding to the endless b!tching? :rofl2:

I agree with you 100%. This is how I look at it from my perspective. :tiphat:

Huh?

Oh... you must have gotten that 800lbs from the weight difference between your beloved Porsche Cayman and the Camaro. Well... the Camaro SS already out-accelerates the GT4 with the extra 800lbs. But if you're really curious as to how that works out in your argument with a weight reduction, you'll be able to get a Z/28 with reduced weight for several thousand less than the GT4, and it will likely walk all over it.

For those of us in the room talking about evolving/redesigning an existing product, the Camaro SS of today shed roughly 300lbs from its previous model. It added 24hp and 35tq. That, along with some suspension revisions, translated to a half a second improvement on a 0-60 time, greater lateral acceleration, and better braking. It is also capable of dipping into the 11s on the quarter mile off the lot when the old model was in the high 12s. (WHAT?!) It also does this for a modest price increase of roughly $3,000 from the previous generation. I will save you some math, since that is hard - that is not even a 10% increase in price.

Now tell me, sir, what kind of ramen-noodle-eating, bud-light-drinking, money saving sorcery is this ****?! Please pinch me... I must be dreaming that a company can significantly upgrade and evolve their product and offer it at a competitive price point.

Ford reduced weight and added power on the Mustang. Mazda SIGNIFICANTLY reduced weight with the Miata and provided a more efficient engine, though down on power, and it translated into a faster car.

We can expect Nissan to do the same. We expect them to do so because they have the tools at their disposal to do so. Follow me into the toolbox below:

The Infiniti Q50 is based on the existing FM platform that upholds the Z and G coupes. It is retooled with lighter weight materials. It is now available with a 400hp twin turbo V6. It makes that power using a modest 14.7psi of boost. That motor produces not only 400hp, but an orgasmic 350lb-ft of torque across 1800-5200 RPMs! It's orgasmic because it's peak torque across a broad range. Feel free to google that whole "power under the curve" concept. Because, in most cases, that translates to BETTER PERFORMANCE.

Now, kids... what did we just learn about our toolbox? A lighter platform that is already built to house a higher performance engine! Both of which are in production! Guess what that means, kids? We have a more powerful business case! We may even be able to stick to a similar price point with our new model Z because... well, not only do we have the tools, but OUR COMPETITION IS ALSO DOING IT!

Why are we in business? TO COMPETE.

A 3100lb Z pushing 400 to 450hp for $45k is what we would call COMPETITIVE. FOR 2016. We aren't trying to be competitive in 1970. Gas isn't 86 cents a gallon. Apples don't cost a nickel. Oldsmobile doesn't make cars.

You can spend your $85k on a niche premium branded car that, despite what you may think, is a limited production car (examples are Cayman GT4, GT-R Nismo) and not what we refer to as a full scale production car (370Z, Camaro SS) and be slower than some other sports cars that cost less, but have a gorgeous, exclusive machine that can perform very well. Or, by your logic, buy a 1991 Ferrari Testarossa and be slower than everyone else on this board, but hey, you have a Ferrari, right? Nothing could possibly be faster for the money you spent - that **** was top of the line, state of the art! NO ONE WILL EVER MAKE THAT KIND OF POWER WITH LESS THAN A FLAT 12! YOU MUST BE DREAMING!

I would quote the rest of your posts and obliterate them accordingly, but I'm too busy dreaming. Wake me up later when I'm right.

It's stupid articles like this that makes me wish the next gen Z came out sooner :shakes head:

Next Nissan Z Won

I read the article and it could come as AWD but I highly doubt it as it is heritage that the Z is RWD. Also, they are joking for sure about FWD. lol :bowrofl:

Well It look like 2016 is the last year.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...A5IAP2bSAz9JrQ

Now the question is what of that is true and/or can be backed by a good source

In my opinion, regardless of what the new Z will be like inside and out, I'm just glad I got my 2016 Nismo. It could be the last of the true Z's before all of this hybrid/outsourced powerplant nonsense takes over.

Keep dreaming bro. Lol. That's all I can say. It ain't gonna happen because with those numbers the performance is close to GTR performance. Nissan has already said, if you want performance go GTR and stop hanging around the Z. I can't afford a GTR and I'm not bitching about what Nissan has to offer me.

Stop talking about domestic cars such as Camaro's and Mustang's those are a dime a dozen. Everyone and their mom has one. lol. We don't care about them domestic cars, that's why we are on the Z forum. If you do, you shouldn't be here. Lol. And you can't compare V8's to a V6. The VQ engine we have is one of the highest HP NA V6 around. So yeah, your point is invalid.

I understand you want a cheap fast car so you can say, "oh my 45k Z is just as fast as a 120k GTR why would I go that route". That's exactly what Nissan doesn't want to hear. Besides Nissan makes cars for the general crowd. They don't care about the few that bitch and moan about how heavy and low on horse it is. It's not gonna hurt them that one person won't buy it because there's 10 other that will buy it. The ones that want more power and performance will go GTR. That's why they have a super car around and the Z is their sports car. Business 101 bro.

Until it happens, I don't think your wish will come true. Just accept the fact that the Z is probably not gonna change much. Might as well get your Z now before it shrinks in SIZE and POWAH and then you'll really bitch and complain.



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lol I wasn't, I was merely pointing out fact. I don't really care. I check into this thread often, so it doesn't bother me. If you don't like what you see then don't enter.:gtfo2:

Dont forget, no manual transmission. Only paddles. :mad:

Tell me you're not going off from that article you linked... Its full of false information and claims that don't exist. It said a concept Z was released in 2015?? Ummm negative, no concept has been released. It also states a 300hp 4 Cylinder turbo motor and that's the only engine...

We all can say that most likely a V6TT 400hp and 4 cylinder turbo engine will be offered under speculation but that article is garbage.

The next Z wont be hybrid nor an outsourced engine as they have the VR30DTT Nissan engine.... Hybrid would be too expensive and not make sense for the Z platform.

When the next Z comes with a 410+hp V6TT motor you are telling me you will be glad you got your Nismo?

I had a Nismo and personally it was a fun car but my modded 350Z was much more fun to drive. When a new Z takes minimal money to put 500 wheel horsepower down while the 370z needs 10k+ to make that power with a TT kit you may be looking at the New Z. Unless you don't care about a lot of power. In that case then by all means enjoy your 2016 as its a fun car.

I was underwhelmed by the 350hp to the crank in the Nismo.

2016 is not the last year. There are already 2017s out there. If you go to nissanusa.com and select the Z you can clearly see that it says 2017 as the model year.

http://www.the370z.com/attachments/n...5-2017370z.jpg

That is what i am thinking.

The 2017 is the exact same as the 2016. I was thinking like you when I first got it back in Nov 2015.

Another Ricer X masterpiece.....


And there's something about wanderer that has an aura. A wiff of a well recrafted Jungle Z???

Time will tell?