As stated by ricerx, eventually gas will just be priced to the point ice vehicles are just priced out of the market bc it’s to $$ to fuel them as well as too hard to even find gas stations.

The $$ and the majority of the population in this country is urban and suburban, not rural. Not enough people and not enough people with $$ to care about rural transportation issues. Sh1t, the republicans bitch about subsidized airports and flights to connect rural areas and the democratics couldn’t give two sh1ts if POVs go away so I think we know how this is going to go.

My hope, and I’m bullish on this, is that battery tech will advance enough to mitigate at least some of this.

Hydrogen fuel cell planes, problem solved. Just need to figure out how to produce hydrogen for the fuel cells on a mass production level without using fossil fuels. That’ll happen eventually.

The BIGGEST issue imo with this inevitable move to electric cars etc, is that it’s happening hand in hand with the autonomous car push. Have any of you noticed that over the last 10 years or so there’s been a concerted push in all subjects, esp driving, that emphasizes how “dangerous” humans are and how we can’t be trusted to make decisions. Sh1t, there’s even sentencing algorithms for court cases now so apparently we may not need judges at some point.

/\ my worry isn’t what tech powers my Jeep or car, my worry is will I still be able to legally drive my fvcking autos myself or will we outlaw our constitutionally unenumerated right to freedom of movement?

If you get a few DUIs, the government will, happily, remind you that driving an automobile is a privilege and not a right...lol. You're free to move about in other forms of transportation though.

You completely missed my point.

Irresponsible actions can and should have consequences, such as driving under the influence.

The issue is that just being a human driver is starting to be considered too big a risk and that is the problem.

Freedom is inherently risky, perceived safety should never come at the expense of freedom. Especially when powerful corporate and political interests benefit at the expense of individual liberty.

:iagree:

Let's not be blind to the fact that the push for autonomous and electric vehicles is not pursuant to greater safety or less environmental impact. This is only about the almighty dollar. Those other arguments are simply mechanisms for convincing consumers the change necessary so corporations can push policy changes. Consumers are already bad enough about letting their freedoms get taken away, so there's not a lot of hope for the long term. My only hope is that the logistics of a full transition to electric and autonomous vehicles is complicated enough that it happens after my lifetime (I think I'm good :tup:).

Well said.

Reminds me of the Plastic Industries push for the use of plastic instead of paper, glass etc.. They convinced everyone of the positives of plastic and it was the plastic industry that invented "recycling".

As we have learned now, MANY plastic are NOT recyclable. Not to mention toxic.

ZZ

The best photos and video anywhere yet.

When is this piece of **** 400z coming to Canada?

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https://search.ipaustralia.gov.au/de...2-938396acce49

Patents filed for the AU. Keep in mind the US spec could be slightly different as regulations are quite the same. show what appears to be the production model of the new Z. Basically exactly like proto. Few differences I noticed is the in the front grille you can a what looks like a cruise control radar, along with some sensors at the front and rear (possibly blind spot monitor sensors), keyhole for the trunk, keyhole and lock/unlock button for the drivers side door, and rear side markers. If I missed anything feel free to add.

EDIT: I could be wrong, but I just noticed after looking at the front again it looks like they added some kind of a body panel behind the grille to hide the big rectangle look!

Credit for find:https://jalopnik.com/patents-show-ni...pro-1846057141

I made a quick sh*tty sketch, but you get the idea. I believe they added that recessed part behind the upper grille after all the backlash about the huge rectangular gap in the grille when look at it straight on.

:rofl2:

That patent drawing is exactly the same as the Proto Z. Because it's blacked out, you don't notice the filled-in part that is for the bumper beam.

Your rendering looks exactly how the car would look after Maaco forgets to tape off the black area.

Anyone else think that looks worse somehow or is it just me? I don't hate the original proto all black grill as much as I did when I first saw it. This however is somehow on another level of ugly with the paint matched section.

Of course that rendering looks worse. There's NO chance Nissan would do that paint selection at all. The grill will look similar to the proto, and the piece you see in that patent image is probably related to aero/cooling not design.

Nissan needs to get this thing out quick or at least some new info. This car excitement died weeks after the proto was shown due to lack of further info coming out. Come on Nissan, give us some more details to keep the interest alive.

the are still sending it around the states. It's popping up on youtube channels quite a bit.

There are patent drawings out there that show the production car so we are getting close.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022...z-patent-leak/

I can't wait to see the final production details, especially which AT they will utilize (I'll be getting the 6MT though) and the colors offered. Also very curious what name they'll give it, I've been adamantly saying they won't call it "400" so I hope I am right.

I have been looking at the new 2021 Armada to replace my old Titan, but I gotta say the Armada has a very limited range of colors that don't appeal to me. Hope this doesn't occur with the new Z.

https://www.motor1.com/news/466918/n...video-premiew/

Neat video. I sense more details are coming soon.

not holding my breath on details.

only thing i am semi-sure of is a fall release and even that i am 50/50 on until i hear anything official.

it needs a bigger roof spoiler

Hope the carbon fiber diffuser and side skirts are a option as it looks good.

Let's see, I think the trees in that Nissan Z video indicate a fall release.

Also, no love for the Z31! Blasphemous!

Who here is the hater in the comment section of that article? :icon17: I want a new Pathfinder, dammit! Hey you kids, get off my lawn!

Who wants a new Pathfinder?:rofl2: Did Nissan return it to it's body on frame roots??

Does anyone else prefer the bottom lip blacked out or is it just me? Helps show off those sharp "fangs" better and looks more aggressive imo.

I prefer the proto's style, but my preference is always conservative in styling.

Ironically these renders can also make the car more attractive in the sense they reveal the cuts more clearly.

It does look longer vs. stubby, and maybe people who saw the car in person already saw it this way.

Hmmm....

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...c936cfe86c.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...a15f10db99.jpg

Here's a better look.

https://i.imgur.com/9aG15I2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/29jcehL.jpg

Q60 Red Sport 400 engine for comparison below

Sweet!

I can't tell if they're the same or not. I can't imagine Nissan doing anything other than taking this engine from the Q60 and doing slight tweaks to it based on their learnings from it's years in the Q60 and the additional hard driving testing that would need to be done for a Z product.

Should be sweet. It HAS to have 400hp though.

That's definitely the VR30 under the hood. The 3 pressure caps match up the Infiniti engine bay. The engine cover is different shape and partly painted yellow, but that's just fluff.

BTW, won't matter if the engine is 300HP or 400HP or somewhere between. With the Q60s, the gap between 300HP and 400HP is effectively closed with a tune. The 300HP motor can be brought right up to the RS 400HP motor with minimal money, and from there both engines tune up about the same.

There's quite a few people who are tuning 300HP Q50 and Q60's because the RS package can be much more money.

It'll have 400HP for sure. To be honest at this point I don't really see them offering a 300HP version ever. And also you have to realize that not everyone tunes their cars. In fact I'm sure a majority of buyers won't at all or at least until after the factory warranty is up.

Also is anyone else wondering why they aren't releasing ANY new info on the new Z since the Proto reveal? I've heard multiple car media sites say the car is expected Spring/Summer of this year. I know COVID delays and such but not even a test mule has been spotted anywhere. Perhaps they're having issues with the car in some capacity? At this rate I don't think we'll see it hit production until 2022.

The same sites who say stupid things like 400z? The sites that have been predicting a new Z every year since '14? The sites who thought a dude having a track day at the Ring in his 10 year old 370 was a test mule? The sites that just regurgitate the same unfounded BS they copied off another site? Those sites? :icon14:

So you're trying to tell me those sites might not know when the new Z is getting released? :facepalm:

They will likely offer a 300HP version to compete with the lower trim of the Supra. I am guessing the trims will line up well with the Q60, base 300HP, sport 400HP for now. Maybe Nismo will be 400+ or the 400 with other enhancements?

The Z Proto is a complete product, finished in actual manufactured, ready for prime time components. It is not some hand built static display with a balsa wood interior. I am 100% sure Nissan could (and might be) producing it's major parts today. It even has the standard Nissan/Infiniti key-fob dock on the dash. They would NOT bother with details like that if the car was just a tease.

My opinion about the delay is that Nissan may be behind the ball on the automatic transmission. Notice we have a fully functioning 6MT proto, but not an automatic proto?
Are they considering DCT? ZF? For the love of puppies will they not torture us with the 7AT? Are they trying to develop some appropriate shift programming for their 9AT to match the car? They did a heavy makeover on the Armada, and despite the Frontier and Titan (with exact same engine as Armada) using the 9AT, the Armada received a ton of revisions and is stuck with the 7AT. Nissan even admitted that the 9AT may come NEXT year.

Also, CCP Virus is still disrupting the industry, and Nissan is trying very hard to get bread-n-butter stuff released ASAP to recover from the recent scandal. My opinion is they are doing their best.

They DO need to release it sooner than later, Beijing Biden is on a disruptive tear right now and we don't want to get surprised by some asinine executive order that kills the car before it is released.

That would awesome if Nissan released the new Z in a 6MT with no AT option :bowrofl: I might have to buy one if that happens. Might be for the best just to get it to market tho. As long as the AT isn't a dud when finally released.

:iagree: That's the problem though. This is their best?? :icon14: :thumbsdown:

It will be using the 9 speed tuned by NISMO, which is why they stated it is in development.

I mean, come on man, this is Nissan, after all!

We should be grateful it isn't a 2 door FWD version of a Versa with a CVT!