Ooooh, the Versa ZX will be awesome....kinda like wiping before you poop.

:happydance:Well if they stop making the Z, then I have the last year made.:ughdance:

That's how I look at it too! :driving:

keeping my 370z as dd and my new toy might be

Next gen Z vs. Next gen Supra

I'm thinking about doing the same thing but I need more room for my toys!!! Maybe time for an big external garage...:rofl2:

Buy a pre-engineered metal building. Very reasonably priced and there's basically no maintenance for 40yrs.

2 garage bays for $25K, plus the pad. That's pretty good.

I wish I could find my post like a year ago predicting they offer a 4 cylinder turbo and a V6TT and now those 2 motors both exist in the Q series (aka G37 successor)

Heres my new thought prediction;

Nissan for 2018 models to put the VR30DTT motor in the current NIsmo Models only. NIssan increase base price on the NIsmo to 43k.

Benefits to Nissan would be how the market responds to the engine, I assume the current curb weight of the NIsmo *3300 pounds would be close to the ideal weight for the next Z plus or minus a hundred pounds.

Sounds very reasonable.:driving:

390z ?

430z

I agree with thisas I predicted the same, as well as FPENVY and Ricer X but...

There's Two configurations on the 3.0T.

I believe the 2.0t will have a base model and sport model & Nismo

I believe the 300+ hp model will be the touring.

I believe the 400hp model will be a Nismo.

And I even think there's a possibility of a Nismo RS rated at 450hp.

I think there will be Targa, hardtop and convertible versions. Possibly a Z inspired AWD crossover with a play on the Z heritage in its name will come out and be part of the Z family.
(Grip Z)

I honestly think the Z is getting a new chassis. I really believe that's one of the main reasons it's taking so long aside from being far off there mark in sales.

Disclaimer: just a speculation
No panties in a bunch please.

I don't see Nissan shoehorning the VR30 into a 370Z. It would compromise too much about the car and cost too much to do it vs developing a new car around the Q60 chassis.

The Q chassis and the Z chassis right now are one of the same. The FM platform is still in use even in the brand new Q60. Weight was reduced by using around 50% more tensile steel interior redevelopmentand more carbon fiber bits. The platforms have been and continue to be used since 2003. Infiniti used that platform on EVERY original infiniti model.

I found my post from almost a year ago predicting well before the new engines were even thought about! I posted this September 2015!! Look at my guesstimates for price and engine choices :)
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I am a huge Z fan. Ive owned 2 350z's and a Nismo 370z. What I suspect if the new Z is released and they don't cut from the lineup (its always a possibility) is the following.

Nissan has made numerous comments about a revolution not evolution as well as a lighter more compact car. I actually test drove a BRZ the other day for fun and the size felt ok for my 5"9 150 pounds but I couldn't imagine that car for a larger person. The new Z will need to be larger then that but still retain a weight of 3000 pounds or under to compete with a 4 cylinder turbo option.

That being said the BRZ weighs around 2700ish pounds. With 200hp it is very slow.
If the new Z can shoot for a sub 3000 weight and having a lower end 4 cylinder turbo option with 240-260hp and a V6TT option with around 400hp they would then beat out the FRS/BRZ with the lower end and the mustang/Camaro end with the upper end.

Pricing would need to be appropriate like below
Base Z35- $28,000-$31,000 (4 Cylinder Turbo)
V6TT Z35- $38,000- $45,000 (6 cylinder turbo)

Correct me if I'm wrong but Nissan has reduced the sport model price midway into the production of the 370z, they offered an exclusive 35th anniversary in the 350z which became standard equipment and to use another maker Ford who swapped from the 305hp motor up to the 425hp motor like 2 years after their new Mustang released a few years back.

Nissan has a few advantages to drop this engine in the 370z.

1. Test it out in the market pros/cons etc
2. See if sales increase due to the engine
3. Have any kinks in engine/drivetrain be tweaked now vs. having a full blown 2003/2009 transmission issue/oil consumption or whatever may arise.

Lets think when Nissan first came to America to be sure they didn't tarnish their rep they called themselves Datsun. Still actually Nissan they subbranded in case the ship sank they ditch "Datsun" and NIssan lives on unscathed!

Imagine if this "Revolution" they speak of and all the money spent on a new Z drops in say 2019 and it flops horribly! Nissan already knows the Z is not a huge money maker so this could really hurt their net worth. Best idea is basically use the wolf in sheeps clothing we will say and beast mode a NIsmo with the new motor and let it fly. Any cons or dissapointments they can tweak for the new Z35. And who would have said back in 2010 that the 2015 NIsmo would look completely different (headlights, aero kit etc) Changes can happen mid cycle or even at the end. Sometimes good, sometimes bad (EVO X ditching Recaro seats for last year for a bad example)

Its a no brainer honestly, the engine is already being produced.

if a fully loaded Z hits $60,000, goodbye Nissan Hello Porsche

Sorry for my post guys....

I own a 2015 white 370z Nismo....

But...the people in here are dreaming to much. We are dreaming of power to weight ratios that even cars 3-4 times more expensive can't come close. Lol.

Be realistic, a 3100-3300 lb z with 450 horse at 45k? That's very unrealistic. We live in a day and age where safety comes first and more and more safety equipments are shoved into our cars, it's only going to get heavier. If the power to weight ratio people are asking for is so easily attainable at the price everyone wants.....

Acura/Honda would've done it to the NSX and not make it a giant 3800 lb 570 hp car. Lol. At the power to weight everyone is dreaming of, you guys can wipe the floor with a 180k super car with a moderate tune and mods. Lol. Be real guys...stop dreaming.

I don't see a full production model with warranty being produced with those numbers and price range. Hint.... Porsche GT4... 85k....2900 lbs 385 hp....dream big but be realistic.

Lol.... try this thread from5 and 9 months before yours.

http://www.the370z.com/other-vehicle...0-coupe-2.html

The problem with your post is that you're talking about technology like it moves slowly for one. Second, you're talking like every company at some point doesn't break the innovation sound barrier with sub premium cars.

No one believed the new camaro would be everything it is for the price it is. I was LITERALLY the ONLY ONE.

MRC and 455HP on a 3,680lb car for $38,000 entry price and an upcoming 640HP, 3,900lb car with an even higher updated mrc line lick feature, launch control, a new ultra high tech 10 speed auto and one of the fastest cars around the nurburgring at ANY PRICE for $60K? That's $40K cheaper than the GTR with 95 more horses. Anything is possible my man. Anything.

2016 Chevy Camaro SS - 455hp. 3686lbs. 6.2L V8. RWD.

Now imagine if that car shrunk in overall footprint. We removed the rear seats, used similar chassis engineering as far as lightweight materials, put in a motor less than half the size yet with a pair or turbos much like the VR30DDTT. We used smaller wheels (19" rays instead of the 20" wheels that come on the Camaro), fit smaller brakes that fit the platform and wheel setup. Remove a pair of airbags because there is no rear seat. Are we at 300lbs yet?

You can rephrase your posting now... maybe something like "guys stop talking about a bunch of nonsense like 'evolved automotive engineering' or 'making things better than they were yesterday'" or 'the R35 already hurt Porsche's feelings so let's not push it with a Z that could obliterate a Cayman for half the money'".

Oh... and this gem...

2016 Corvette Z06. 3524lbs. 650hp. Are we there yet?

There are plenty of people with modded cars... with modded 370Zs even... that could wipe the floor with a new NSX. Use the search box for a little company called "Fast Intentions".

If you're trolling... I give you a gold star. Otherwise, you need to get out more.

I hate that grill so much. And they're putting it on all of their cars, while giving them all the same raised haunches as the GT-R.

Don't know what to think?? As stated before, I'll just wait to see it in person and see what the price is. :tup:

I don't expect the z to lose much weight. If anything it may drop like 40 lbs so they can say it got lighter. I expect it to basically get the same hp engine trims as the q60. Maaaaybe a bit more in the Nismo, butI doubt it. That would hurt the image of the q60 I think.

Try shedding 800lbs off that Camero and how much do you think the price will go up? Lol.....

As far as the corvette...what's the price again? Is it 29,000 like the entry Z? Heck is it 41,000 like the Nismo? Uhhhh forget about the Nismo. The sport model is what 32,000? Again be realistic. We all know how hard it is to shed weight on a production car. You tearing out your stock car is yourself. On a production car not so easy.

What's realistic me is...the Z gaining 50-100 lbs but increases in power...but that kind of performance would threaten the GTR symbol. Nissan has already said....if you want performance go GTR. The Z will never have that kind of performance, it'll be good but nothing like how we want it to be.

I've been absent for awhile so I guess it's about time to step back in and voice my opinion lol

This pic makes me worried if the Z looks like this. Besides the widow/cabin top shape and squished z34 headlight it kinda looks like a new civic in a way.

I keep seeing people saying that the car can't be 3100-3300 lbs and have 400hp for 45k. I think it absolutely can. If you're comparing it to the 58k BMW m2 with similar weight and 370hp remember you're getting their dry **** in your *** based on their logo.....because bimmer right?

A sporty Nissan is a different story. Honestly the price won't matter for me it's just going to be based on looks. The weight and power will be bang on and options will hopefully finally be updated.

Not saying 1 way or the other, but you are looking at this as the 370z is the starting weight/platform. Nissan may begin using a new platform or shorten it even more so, starting the next generation at a completely different point. Also, Nissan is milking the 370z since right now the investment has been made, parts deals were set in 2007/8 for ordering while now their operating cost went down with a car coming up on 10 years. This means they can start fresh with new contracts (good example Brembo to Akebono brakes from the 350z to 370z), this allows them to move up market on quality or newer technology which the 370z did not have in 07/08 when they did the initial investment.

Nissan could easily start the car sub 3k weight depending on where they want to place the next generation Z, will they, probably not but it can be done without shooting the price to the moon or Porsche territory.

Which platform? Nissan doesn't have any other platform for the Z. To make a new platform Nissan will spend millions on R and D. That'll only make our wish car of 2800 lbs further from reach.

Look at the twin sisters...BRZ/FRS....they cost almost the same as the base Z with 142 hp less. The truth sucks sometimes. We all like to dream.

Making a car and developing a production platform isn't the same as your regular mod where you can just cut an old platform shorter and build on it. Lol. It takes thousands of hours and millions of dollars to make it safe and reliable so it can be mass produce.

Scratching my head on this one!!!
I don't hate it, but....... a Z or Altima coupe maybe???

You do now they have partnerships with others and can easily (and fairly cost effective) license another platform without spending the R&D money, and the current platform is fairly old already so I would not be surprised if Nissan has been looking at something new or developing it already. Plus the Z platform is shared already with many other cars to help reduce long terms cost, this is one reason the IDx failed to be produced was because it was a brand new platform which at the time was not going to be shared with any other of Nissan's lineup.

Yes. That further proves why we ain't getting a sub 2800 lb car with 450 hp in the 45k range. Lol. To many variables. The engineers at Nissan would've done it if it was possible. They can't find a platform lol.

I dunno. I think if they were to flip the emblems it might look alright. Or shed them, for weight loss ... ;)

Yeah, I don't like it either. The one concept I liked:

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Why do you think if they could do it they would have?
Technology moves forwards, cost are reduced, and the platform sharing is actually fairly new with recent partnerships in the past decade.

You have to take the current generation with a grain of salt for the future, it is a starting place, but we do not know Nissan's ultimate plant (if even the Z will survive). They could be working on a new engine, platform, components that the 370z could not have had because of initial cost, but now such items like carbon fiber or more aluminum are much cheaper and viable helping keep overall per car cost down but allowing weight reduction.

Everyone is entitled to dream and wish. Okay. 😊 Wake me up when it's real. :happydance:

100% agree, one reason I said I am on neither side, truly I am on the side that believes Nissan might kill the Z again. With such low production it is a tough car to keep on the books in a high volume car manufacturer.

Nissan is a HUGE company. They have the $, the machines and the manpower. Id like to see a Hybrid Z. 400+hp all in, loaded for $45K.

Right? I'd like to see a Z with 550 hp fully loaded down for 45k. I'll buy a second one in a heartbeat.

Nope. :barf:

This is moving completely in the wrong direction IMO. That grill is sh!t and FPenvy hit it on the head sayin' it's kinda lookin' like the Civic!

If this is any indication, I'm worried...

It just doesn't look exotic or expensive. The wheels and grill scream Honda. In a dark color, with silver rims, maybe better, but still. Altima coupe I hope.