Came across this on one of the FB forums. Won't lie - it definitely makes me curious about the Nismo and seems like they are trying to deliver a car we all want. Still-the price is too rich for my blood - but then again - it feels like EVERY car is super expensive now days.


TITLE from Road & Track
The NISMO Z is the Best Nissan in a Decade (Even if it is Missing a Clutch Pedal)

https://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews...RTKwahPdyJ8-Dk

Waiting to see version 4. If it comes out as ICE. :tiphat:

Wow, that's a heavy Z: 3,704 lbs :eek:

I can't believe its actually heavier than my 19 1SS at 3685 lbs. Not by much but still...wow.

It amazes me how heavy vehicles are becoming now. It seems like they are getting bigger and bigger. And the answer to items getting heavier seems to make it have more HP to ‘balance things out’ - but yeah, agree - its amazing how heavy vehicles are becoming.

Motor1 released the base price of the Nismo, what apparently starts out at ~$66K. I'm not sure how reliable the source is...

https://www.motor1.com/news/688258/2...nismo-pricing/

Yes, and it's $80,000 in Canada.

Anyone around Knoxville TN area have a new Z yet? I've still only seen a single one from afar going down the highway and really want to get up close soon. Dealers in my area don't seem to be getting them, or at least if they have it's just been an allocated order that was never listed. Hoping to see one at Cars n Coffee.

Lots of regular Z being sold in Vancouver area. Then again it's vancouver. Lots of money to burn. (except me. ;))

Just checked Nissan’s site last night and they’ve already bumped the base price to $42k. Base on the Nismo is $65k.
Guess I won’t be getting one anytime soon.

I haven't seen single one around here.(Memphis area)

saw the sticker for a nismo Z, it was about 78K, with dealer markup
they are waiting on the car, it is actually the 2nd Z they will be getting

There are so many better and superior cars you can get for $78k. That is absolutely ridiculous.

WTF happened to the Z being the everyman's affordable sports car? :confused:

:iagree:

$60k cars are the NEW $40k car. Between supply chain issues so dealers get so few creating a huge supply demand issue - along with dealers being greedy - it has made it difficult to find 'fun' cars or ANY cars for that matter at a reasonable price.
All we can do as consumers is 'let it rot on the lot' and refuse to buy one till prices come down but with people willing to spend ADM on new cars - I don't see it ending anytime soon.

Agreed, I'm still fond of my 370 and don't feel the need to get out of it. But I'm also keen to see the new one in person to make my final call. Otherwise, if I could ever find a manual one at MSRP, I might be a Supra owner instead. Neither is a reasonable option at this time considering I refuse to pay any kind of markup so might as well bide my time and do more research.

For me - the short list of cars I would like to have are:
Honda Civic Type R
Z Nismo (only if its manual which right now it is not)
Supra manual
Acrura Integra Type S

But yeah, it seems like most of these cars are carrying an ADM and their starting price is already pretty high - so for me - I'll just hold out and wait for the used market to get something once prices return to 'normal'

best drivers car out of the test but worst transmission.
some good praise for the nismo.
nothing you can't do with a z with spl suspension bushings/arms for half the price but w/e

Greed may be a factor, but not as big as most people think.

Though we are on the back-end of COVID19, the global supply chain issue, paired with 2 wars, is not helping with the replenishment of the supply chain.

Simply put, there is too much demand compared to supply, which will significantly drive up pricing (inflation). The exact same thing is happening in the housing industry, where there are still too many buyers (despite rates rising) compared to homes available for sale, so meaning what once was a $200K home pre-COVID is now close to $450K post-COVID. Same concept with the auto industry.

Don't expect pricing to come down any time soon. Don't believe me? Check out the article below:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/02/cars/...-dg/index.html

Nissan Safari Rally Z tribute build brings rallying heritage to 2023 SEMA show
 

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/th...ema-show.2237/

https://cdn-fastly.autoguide.com/med...0x845&nocrop=1

No....:shakes head:

Guys at throtl built an incredibly good looking liberty walk Z:



dunno if link above works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZSIbhW9TME

Gotta say I LOVE how it looks. Really brings back that old school flavor with the rear.

goddamn that's hideous

I dig it. A bit over the top if it was my personal ride, but I do love that rear and the overfenders or whatever they’re called. Very 240z race car retro vibe :tup:

Good effort for sema.

Looks like this kit isn't just hideous.
It can actually look pretty great.
Just every single car i've seen with it, until this video, has chosen the wrong colours or wrong stance.

It looks so good, that after watching it for a while, you take a look at the stock car, and it seems incomplete, like they forgot to add fenders...

maybe I'm just old or something but putting these super deep dish wheels with fenders and an airkit - just kinda loses the look to me. While it might not be a popular opinion - I feel like if the stock car had more 'hips' similar to the 240z and that rear duckwing - that would look so great. It's almost like taking the video's concept and then the stock and trying to blend it in - while it might be considered 'playing it safe' - I just feel that would have been the route I would have liked to have seen. Making it subtle yet different.

I just feel like I have never understood the idea of slamming a car to the ground with an airkit and having such deep dish tires - again - might be an age thing or something but not my thing; but then again - do give ANY shops props for doing something different and unique.

Finally saw the new Z. The design is new, but it is a bit underwhelmed. While the 370z is quite old, but I think it is more exciting if they were seen for the first time together.

Please don't take this wrong for the people who like the front end of the base and performance models, but just trying to be funny, I know that beauty is in the eyes of the beholder but have you considered getting a new eyeglass prescription? :-)

I recalled seeing $20K mark-ups when they first arrived in the stealerships. I don't keep track of the pricing, but out of curiosity, I did a search and found many discounted from $3 to $5k now for both auto and manual trans. On the other hand, there's still no inventory for the Supra even it is into its fourth year production.

It is so disappointing that Nissan screwed up the new Z.

It seems that they screwed up the availability of the new model, got too greedy with the pricing (and forgot their roots of producing an affordable sports car), and did not do a good job of designing the front end (as evidenced by the NISMO and the special edition front ends to try to offer something nicer at a much higher price). Not that I feel real strong about it, but they can keep their crap.

Their biggest accomplishments are convincing people to ignore the 15 year old chassis and forgiving the lack of manual on the Nismo

and can't compete with the Supra even with a more "claimed" power.

Well. From 20k bump to $7500 drop. Just saw two 2024 Performance autos for $46,800.

What is the model of wheel for the Z Nismo?

I really wanted to like the new Z, but I just couldn't. The front is so bland, and for the 370z owners, the interior is so similar. The door panels and seats are almost the same.

I think the clutch hydraulic is the same problematic setup from the 370z as well. And its performance is also disappointing.

I like a lot about the car, but you’re right about the interior. Many of the parts are the same. Inside the rear hatch is identical. The one thing that blows my minds is the cargo cover pricing. They took an overpriced cargo cover and now it’s going for over $1,000. I paid $75 from a guy on here years ago.
I’ve had my 370 for so long that I can’t bring myself to replace it.
Had it dynoed awhile back and hit almost 330 with 162,000 miles.
Hard to give that up for that kind of money.

It seems that the new Z may not hold up its value, given what it has to offer versus its competitors and also when compared to the 370Z. If one is considering buying one, it may be worth waiting to see if prices continue to fall. It seems to be a faster 370Z with a different look and with the complexities of a TT engine that will not last as long as the 370Z NA engine. At least you get more gauges and more modern technology, if that's your thing.

Is this partly the fault, at least in the USA, of dealers massively marking them up to absurd levels? Charging $20K or more over MSRP in the first year of release was always going to result in those early adopters getting burned on resale. I feel like those buying a little later at MSRP will get burned far less, just receiving more normal levels of depreciation.

One benefit to being here in Australia is, despite usually paying more than the USA for performance vehicles (especially Euro and USA ones), the dealers here don't (can't by law?) add ridiculous 'market adjustment' markups on. So the vehicles are always sold around MSRP. That helps somewhat for buyers confidence come resale time.

I feel like evaluated in isolation, as a 6 cylinder RWD Japanese made sports coupe, the new Z still has a lot going for it. A rich Z heritage, and the promise of decent Japanese build quality and reliability. And great road presence, they look fantastic on the road and turn heads like a far more expensive exotic.

But as you say, there are competitors (like the Supra) that offer more performance for similar money, or for those not chasing the best performance, older cars like the 370Z which offer the same road presence and handling ability, just with less power.

As a 370Z owner, I struggle to make a convincing case to myself to upgrade to the new Z, even though I love the styling, the power figures, the slightly updated interior, and the promise of a new car warranty (which goes some way to addressing any concerns I have over the more complex TT engine). The reality is I already own 95% of the same car, just with a less powerful (but I would argue better sounding) engine.

The main stumbling block is price. If the new Z cost about what I paid for my 370Z (Sport Touring grade) brand new in 2020, i.e. about AU$50K (US$34K), I'd probably have traded in and be driving a new Z right now.

But it doesn't, despite being 95% the same car the new Z (Performance, only grade we get) costs AU$82K (US$55K) in Australia, which is a whopping 64% price increase. Yet the new Z isn't 64% faster or better looking. It's a real shame it costs so much now, and I think that's what is holding it back.

When I think about the cost of moving into a new Z, I realise I could spend a fraction of that on heaps of high quality mods for my 370Z AND still have enough left over for a couple of nice overseas holidays! That's some perspective.

At the end of the day, the new Z is not worth the price they are asking for it.

We were considering the Inifiniti Q60 last year, but decided against it due to some serious issues with the motor... Apparently, there are issues with the turbines and engine block that require replacing the short block or the entire motor. I oon't know if Nissan has mitigated those issues.

Back to the Z, I just can't get over how un-exciting/boring it looks.