I'm with Sophia. Maybe that exhaust will look better in person, but it would be hard for me to convert to almost any quad tip on this car without bumper exits that match the quad styling better. If the big single tip exits aren't changed out, I'd rather opt for something like Fast Intentions or GReddy and stay dual. Not a bad look and one I'm pretty partial to, but hey, I'm always down to be pleasantly surprised by someone out there that can fab up pretty stuff!

The 57CR's are part of Rays' Gram Lights line, which means they're high quality, but cast.

They won't be heavy, but not especially light either. They're "regular" - an entry level wheel that won't suck, basically.

Aesthetics are subjective, so I'll leave it to each individual.

You're paying for the Nismo logo, the dealer markup, and, maybe some other fluff.

The same wheel is basically available from Rays directly with some color and detail differences, in whatever size you want, with whatever add-on (Center caps, valve stems, etc) you want.

Track people will want to downgrade to 18's and perhaps a lighter or more fungible wheel package.

Show people will be upgrading to custom 3pcs

This is, I suppose, a cute package for people that don't modify their car?

But so is the Z34 as far as comparisons go yet folks buy them.

Central20 does some wild stuff. I love the badge on the spoiler though. I am very tempted but the new TypeR has my attention and would make more sense for me given i am not wanting to part ways with my Z.

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/th...nissan-z.1322/

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/at...rge-jpg.10515/
https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/at...rge-jpg.10517/

NISMO Z Prototype Spied Testing?

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/th...-testing.1329/

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/at...139-jpg.10526/

i think more than a new bumper would be ideal

get some wider fenders in there too

the Nismo GTR has i believe 20mm wider fenders or thereabouts, plus basically some TE/CE variants

Nissan Z Nismo rendering
 

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/th...endering.1331/

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/at...fix-png.10667/

Too bad ‘ideal’ and ‘realistic’ are very different things. I think we’d all be shocked if the Nismo Z ended up with a wider body kit and TE/CE variants. I’m just hoping for a bumper redesign that isn’t overstyled, maybe something like the V1 370z Nismo.


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The regular z already has optional Gram Lights so I don’t think some forged wheels are asking much

Rays already makes 370Z wheels and GT-R wheels so the relationship is there


Speaking of which

This is a long shot but for anyone that’s sat in the Z at an exhibit - is there any change in headroom? I’m guessing not since the interiors are so similar but that’s the one thing that might tempt me to switch platforms

agree... missed that more muscular look from the 370z. wider fenders and wheels would be ideal. Also tune the motor to work with 91 octane fuel as 93 octane isn't available in some states.

So far the performance and look is good, but not great.

Full size Z brochures

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/th...brochure.1347/

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/at...e_5-jpg.10853/
https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/at...e_6-jpg.10854/

Savagegeese puts the Z against Supra
 

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/th...st-supra.1350/

I don't even think the Supra and Z should be compared anymore. It's clear the Supra is in another class. More modern, more power, more tech. 400whp stock :eek:...jebus.
455ish crank hp . Wtf, they advertise it has 380crank hp lmao :icon17:

Watching savagegeese video about the 400z vs the bmw supra, I c why the supra is more expensive. They mentioned the supra is a closed deck whereas the Nissan is open deck.

I'll be in my bunk!

They said that Toyota down plays the power of the supra. Man I didn't realize there was this much a difference between the 2.
And nissan should of made the engine a closed deck at least. Kinda of disappointed.
Z still looks good.

I'll be in my bunk!

Z1 Unveils New Touring Exhaust For 2023 Nissan Z
 

​​​​​​​https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/th...nissan-z.1352/

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/at...ram-jpg.10953/

If you look at the proto Z that was showcased in the Tokyo Auto Salon I think that is a very good indication of what the Nismo could look like with the fender flares, diffuser and everything shown. They’re probably only using the bumper to test it’s cooling capabilities.

I finally watched savageGeese’s video; as usual it is the most detailed and educational video available

They mentioned stiffer components at the swaybars, mono tube vs twin tube dampers, and increased front camber but fell short of explicitly answering:

Are all suspension pickup points the same as our cars? I.e. could I throw my coilovers and arms on, theoretically/

haven't had any confirmation but strongly suspect suspension points are exactly the same.
(z1 has some Nissan Z control arms listed with the same part numbers as the 370z control arms.)


Throttle house makes great vids. Some good local Toronto car content.


EDIT:

the other Toronto car channel:

Love both of those channels. Its funny to me how differing of the reviews have been for the new Z. Seems like the more I watch reviews - the more I come away with 'I'm not sure if this is the next car I want'. It seems like rumors are very true - the Z is more of a GT car and less of a sports car. Who knows - maybe 3-4yrs down the road - I might think differently once the modding begins and we see what people are doing with this car - but in its current state - I just think its a pass for me (sad bc I really really wanted to like this car - and in some ways I DO like this car).
Anyway - just one more opinion on the 'interwebz'.

it would be great if new Z owners had access to essentially the entire SPL catalog off the bat

All coilover options carrying over would be great - all they'd need to do is tweak the rates to accomodate the heavier front end

SavageGeese's video highlighting the new external clutch slave, clutch based diff, improved steering feel despite EPS, and improved cooling make me feel better about the car

I'd re-evaluate upgrading in a few years, after we see the Nismo, since i wouldn't need to re-buy all the suspension stuff

makes sense, it's a sidegrade not an upgrade IMO

It's weird that not many reviewers compare the car to a 370z.
I guess it may not put it in the best light when you say it's every bit the same as a 370z with a turbo 3 litre but costs almost twice as much.

The supra was/is the better car vs a 370z, and it remains the better car vs the new Z.
Not much you can really do when working on the same super old platform I guess.
But what made the 370z so good was the value for money that you get.
That's basically gone with the new car.
At the end of the day, even with mods, this car will never do anything better than a 370z.
So for all 370z owners I think it's a waste of time even thinking about this car as a replacement.
Unless you must have the factory turbo engine (vs much larger displacement engine + aftermarket turbos)
OR you must have the new looks. (Imo the 370z is the better looking car anyway.)

I don't think i would even fit in the Supra

i already need more headroom in the Z

factory turbo thats smog legal is the main reason
rear end looks better on the new Z than the Z34 (Subjective)
clutch diff + cooling , although some of that will inevitably need upgrades

but i wouldn't pay 50k for it

if the Nismo looks rad, i'll consider

my Z34 has fewer than 50k miles

Open deck v6 vs a I6 that has a closed deck? That's what we call a no brainer in the tuning world. Why on earth would I spend $50k for a weaker platform. When I can get a much much MUCH Stronger platform for a few k more?

Tired of the open deck weak sauce Nissan has been giving us for the last 2 decades. Seriously, this is why we have to spend damn near 6 figures to be able to compete with cars that have spent not even half that much. It's very very frustrating when I think about all the damn limitations the Z has to overcome to be able to compete properly mod for mod.

I want to love the new Z but fundamentals just keep getting in the way of that happening.

Yeah this is exactly it.
Not only is the engine way better.
It's lighter, stiffer, and handles better than a 370z (making it WAY lighter than the chunky new 2023 z)
You can get a clean single owner 370z for 34k(cad), but a new supra is closer to 100k cad after all taxes and fees etc. So it's hard sell to upgrade, but if you're going to upgrade, do it to the Supra and not a sidegrade to the 2023 Z, imho.

The last several reviews of the 370z by Savage Geese have been pretty brutal - the one I remember is him not even reviewing it but having his cohost do the review (bc the platform is so old).

So I was honestly expecting him to trash the new Z - especially after some of the more brutal reviews of the new Z. Instead he really liked it especially compared to the Supra. It was definitely interesting and kinda gives credit to what you are saying - do some fixes to the suspension and you have a really good daily that you can take to the track if you want to.

I'm sure everyone saw the video where they tested the Z to the Supra and did a quick couple of laps in the GT86 as well to compare all three cars - and in this vid - Savage Geese winded up putting on the same tires for both the Supra and the Z and tires make a difference - not enough if you are chasing numbers.

If you haven't - worth a watch:
https://www.newnissanz.com/threads/n...48/#post-14509

Nothing he said about the z34 was inaccurate tho - it is an ancient platform that needs modification to be competent

They acknowledge it’s simplicity, rwd, and 6-spd manual are nice to still have, but I too would never advise someone to pay new car prices for one

It’s simply a much better used car option bc of its weaknesses

Will you be labelled as a conspiracy theorist for believing that Nissan told all the reviewers not to compare it with a 370Z?

That was horrible advice if you listened to any of these guys. Because I brought my 2020 brand new for $28000 CAD (which works out to $21600 USD), which is FAR less than the price of a used one now.

Now in today's post-rona market, go find me anywhere I can buy a brand new V6 sports car for less than $30k CAD.

You got a brand new 2020 370Z for $21600 USD? That's FAR less than the price of a new one at the time. Not sure how you accomplished that but it's incomparable to normal pricing.

You got a brand new car for a used car price. I don't believe I EVER saw Nissan selling 'Sport Editions' for less than $26-27k in the US. Heck -I thought I got a 'steal of a deal' for getting a 1yr old 4500mi Nismo for about $32k when the Nismo's I were seeing being offered at over $40k easy. If I was shopping for a Z and a price of $22k for a sport came up - that would be hard to pass up - congrats on a good deal.

Overall with the platform being as old as it is - I think the general consensus is that there are a lot of low priced low mileage options so one doesn't have to take the 'new car hit' when looking for a Z.

excellent comparison.... Another important factor for the car buyers is the look of the car. I personally was more exciting seeing the new Supra and 370Z than the new Z initially. I like the new Z interior, but not sure about the exterior. Perhaps it will grow on me in time.

NISSAN Could Have Jumped Way Ahead Of Many Other Manufacturers If They Had Used Their Very Advanced E-Platform And Produced An Electric Zeeeeee! :stirthepot:

First 2023 Z Calibrated on EcuTek Tuning Software (by AMS Performance)

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/th...formance.1402/

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/at..._n-jpeg.11404/

Nissan Z with Borla S-Type Exhaust
 

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/th...st-video.1424/

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/th...nissan-z.1435/

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/at..._01-jpg.11771/
https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/at..._02-jpg.11776/
https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/at..._01-jpg.11777/

sounds good, but the tips are sticking too far out.

FIRST FORUM MEMBER WITH A NEW 2023 Z PROTO

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/th...oto-6spd.1437/