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OptionZero 05-28-2020 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3937541)
:iagree:

We should hope for parts compatibility

I'm not selling my Z34 to buy a new Z34.5 from a dealer and eating that depreciation

i would buy the engine and transmission ESPECIALLY IF THEY MADE A CARB LEGAL SWAP KIT

but stuff like a better transmission, brakes, suspension bits, if it all bolted up the way R32/33/34, Z32 and S-chassis stuff basically all was cross compatible for a decade . . . that'd be cool

sunkist350z 05-28-2020 11:23 AM

We are all excited, as the new threads continue to post, all good. Thanks Nissan I hope the z35 is worth the wait.

2017370ZBlack 05-28-2020 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ColorSource (Post 3937561)
could be just the shadow but the sexy curves are gone

Yes, it looks blockier but perhaps a little more masculine. Love how it is 1000 times cleaner and more mature than the Supra. The Supra looks like it was designed by a 12-year old kid. Love that there is no horrible duckbill spoiler. If the tail lights are truly inspired from the 300ZX tail lights, it should be terrific!

sunkist350z 05-28-2020 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 2017370ZBlack (Post 3937565)
Yes, it looks blockier but perhaps a little more masculine. Love how it is 1000 times cleaner and more mature than the Supra. The Supra looks like it was designed by a 12-year old kid. Love that there is no horrible duckbill spoiler. If the tail lights are truly inspired from the 300ZX tail lights, it should be terrific!

I agree, the z32 one of best sports cars design still timeless to this day.

sunkist350z 05-28-2020 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by OptionZero (Post 3937563)
We should hope for parts compatibility

I'm not selling my Z34 to buy a new Z34.5 from a dealer and eating that depreciation

i would buy the engine and transmission ESPECIALLY IF THEY MADE A CARB LEGAL SWAP KIT

but stuff like a better transmission, brakes, suspension bits, if it all bolted up the way R32/33/34, Z32 and S-chassis stuff basically all was cross compatible for a decade . . . that'd be cool

No Debbiedowners allowed lol j/k But this is news Z fans have been waiting for in years.

sunkist350z 05-28-2020 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 2017370ZBlack (Post 3937546)
Exactly what I was hoping for and expecting to be honest. They are simply updating the Z34 chassis. Nissan is not going to spend truckloads of money on developing an all-new chassis when they are struggling now. Throw in the Q60 Red Sport motor with 400hp with a manual trans, update the interior and tech, and bingo! I love how it is clean and doesn't look like it was designed by a 12-year old like the Supra. The rear taillights are supposedly inspired by the 300ZX. Bravo! (I'm a former 300ZX owner and current 370Z owner). Will be made in Japan and likely less expensive than the BMW Supra.

Agree, a true JDM sports car and hopefully no bitch *** paddle shifters, please offer a manual..saving money as we speak Nissan.

sunkist350z 05-28-2020 11:58 AM

Found this also.

https://hothardware.com/news/nissan-...o-battle-supra

sunkist350z 05-28-2020 11:59 AM

Found this as well...

https://hothardware.com/news/nissan-...o-battle-supra

RicerX 05-28-2020 11:59 AM

If they've gotten this car right (and so far, it's headed in the right direction - we'll see if the execution is there), then I'll be ordering one.

Then hoping I pay it off in time to add an R34 when they become legal.

WHY NOT JUST HAVE ALL THE THINGS?!

sportsman2003 05-28-2020 12:00 PM

Nice!!

280driver 05-28-2020 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 2017370ZBlack (Post 3937565)
Yes, it looks blockier but perhaps a little more masculine. Love how it is 1000 times cleaner and more mature than the Supra. The Supra looks like it was designed by a 12-year old kid. Love that there is no horrible duckbill spoiler. If the tail lights are truly inspired from the 300ZX tail lights, it should be terrific!

Motortrend lightened an image and you can see more detail and sculpting on the sides.

OptionZero 05-28-2020 12:24 PM

I am thinking about this further and i wonder if the VR30 swaps done by Z1 and other shops, which i had some Nissan support were a testbed for whether the VR30 will work with the CD009.

IIRC, Z1 was successfully able to mate the engine to the transmission

This would make it easier to produce a manual version of the "Z35". Don't need to create a new transmission, just bolt in the old one. I haven't heard of anyone blowing up the even with turbo. Anything to shave development costs, right?

503.Zed 05-28-2020 12:26 PM

I know the 3.0T is rumored to be the engine, but im curious if Nissan will use that and what the z35 will be like price wise. Was one of the last "affordable" NA sports car. I don't mind the switch to boost as it's inevitable, however I wouldn't be able to forgive Nissan if they don't offer it in a manual.

ped 05-28-2020 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 2017370ZBlack (Post 3937565)
Yes, it looks blockier but perhaps a little more masculine. Love how it is 1000 times cleaner and more mature than the Supra. The Supra looks like it was designed by a 12-year old kid. Love that there is no horrible duckbill spoiler. If the tail lights are truly inspired from the 300ZX tail lights, it should be terrific!

They're a throwback to the 240Z. Which is a great thing.

viiv 05-28-2020 01:39 PM

Sexy curves are gone, including the arched fenders and rear quarter panel. Also with the relocation of the Z logo, the lighted fender turn signal is also gone :(

Rusty 05-28-2020 02:44 PM

This latest news. I can believe. :tup:

Rusty 05-28-2020 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OptionZero (Post 3937579)
I am thinking about this further and i wonder if the VR30 swaps done by Z1 and other shops, which i had some Nissan support were a testbed for whether the VR30 will work with the CD009.

IIRC, Z1 was successfully able to mate the engine to the transmission

This would make it easier to produce a manual version of the "Z35". Don't need to create a new transmission, just bolt in the old one. I haven't heard of anyone blowing up the even with turbo. Anything to shave development costs, right?

There have been a handful of broken input shafts on turbo'ed Z's.

JARblue 05-28-2020 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3937614)
There have been a handful of broken input shafts on turbo'ed Z's.

How many do you know about that were under 500 hp?

Rusty 05-28-2020 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3937616)
How many do you know about that were under 500 hp?

All 600hp and up. Anyone know what the torque rating is on the manual?

Zerafian 05-28-2020 03:14 PM

Ill give my final judgement when I can see it at the dealership. The supra has grown on my when I initially disliked it quite a bit. Seeing the silhouette of that flat *** rear, I dont picture anything appealing. 5% concerned...I shall wait!

Gooch 05-28-2020 03:15 PM

About time.. I am both extremely happy and very surprised that Nissan went forward with the new Z. I was not expecting this, especially in this dark time for the world and Nissan's dim future. If it has a manual, it should be a sweet ride and I might pick one up in maybe a few years. For now, I'm happy with both of my current Z's. Looking forward to an interesting future!

P.S... Looks exactly like a 370z under there.. I wonder what's changed other than the engine / interior..

1/4atatime 05-28-2020 03:27 PM

Question is will it live up to the legacy and modding potential of the 370z the VQ is monster motor that can take some serious HP. To get close to what a normal built turbo charged 370z makes your over six figures (the AMS red alpha q60 making 800hp cost almost $105k) most Z's can be made to make that power for under $70k especially now with boosted performance v band clamp twin turbo setup turn key for under $10k. Look I'm excited they are making a new Z it's a long time coming I just have reservations about price and reliability (lots of people with blown vr30 motors). The other thing I am worried about is they make it too technology advanced and cripple the car. I drove a q60 and it absolutely sucks there is no soul in that car. The drive by wire, terrible automatic (thank goodness this will have a manual) and awful exhaust along with terrible soft boring suspension.

503.Zed 05-28-2020 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 1/4atatime (Post 3937628)
Question is will it live up to the legacy and modding potential of the 370z the VQ is monster motor that can take some serious HP. To get close to what a normal built turbo charged 370z makes your over six figures (the AMS red alpha q60 making 800hp cost almost $105k) most Z's can be made to make that power for under $70k especially now with boosted performance v clamp twin turbo setup turn key for under $10k. Look I'm excited they are making a new Z it's a long time coming I just have reservations about price and reliability (lots of people with blown vr30 motors). The other thing I am worried about is they make it too technology advanced and cripple the car. I drove a q60 and it absolutely sucks there is no soul in that car. The drive by wire, terrible automatic (thank goodness this will have a manual) and awful exhaust along with terrible soft boring suspension.

Should be interesting to see where they mark this price wise. I'm excited for a new Z, but curious as to how it will all come together. The Z platform is known for having a true driver/car connection, and a great driving experience. Hopefully its not muted in that sense like you were saying about the q60.

Spooler 05-28-2020 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 1/4atatime (Post 3937628)
Question is will it live up to the legacy and modding potential of the 370z the VQ is monster motor that can take some serious HP. To get close to what a normal built turbo charged 370z makes your over six figures (the AMS red alpha q60 making 800hp cost almost $105k) most Z's can be made to make that power for under $70k especially now with boosted performance v band clamp twin turbo setup turn key for under $10k. Look I'm excited they are making a new Z it's a long time coming I just have reservations about price and reliability (lots of people with blown vr30 motors). The other thing I am worried about is they make it too technology advanced and cripple the car. I drove a q60 and it absolutely sucks there is no soul in that car. The drive by wire, terrible automatic (thank goodness this will have a manual) and awful exhaust along with terrible soft boring suspension.

To be honest, there are no reliable 800hp 370z's yet. It is not a matter of If they are going to blow a headgasket, it is a matter of when. The ones that are on stock blocks are ticking time bombs.

FPenvy 05-28-2020 03:58 PM

everyone is worried or happy about the manual option........no.

we should be concerned if they are finally going to add a DCT.


you're all welcome. i'll wait for the praise.

:tiphat:

FPenvy 05-28-2020 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 1/4atatime (Post 3937628)
Question is will it live up to the legacy and modding potential of the 370z the VQ is monster motor that can take some serious HP. To get close to what a normal built turbo charged 370z makes your over six figures (the AMS red alpha q60 making 800hp cost almost $105k) most Z's can be made to make that power for under $70k especially now with boosted performance v band clamp twin turbo setup turn key for under $10k. Look I'm excited they are making a new Z it's a long time coming I just have reservations about price and reliability (lots of people with blown vr30 motors). The other thing I am worried about is they make it too technology advanced and cripple the car. I drove a q60 and it absolutely sucks there is no soul in that car. The drive by wire, terrible automatic (thank goodness this will have a manual) and awful exhaust along with terrible soft boring suspension.

new Z wont be crazy priced. they've mentioned it many times they were staying competitive or below other cars in the segment.

to solve your Q60 issues......DCT and buy the Fast Intentions exhaust just like 90% of people.

no stock exhaust really sounds good.

also......how did we swing a new Z convo into "800whp reliable"? :facepalm:

no 800whp modified car is reliable. maybe a GTR with a $18k shep trans and around $10k in a built bottom end. even then not bulletproof.

as for modding potential of the 370, most monster stock engine numbers you see are not real or they most likely did a hot tune hero pull for the graph with fingers crossed. highly doubt stock block guys run around daily driving on their 700whp tune. :bowrofl:

ColorSource 05-28-2020 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 2017370ZBlack (Post 3937565)
Yes, it looks blockier but perhaps a little more masculine. Love how it is 1000 times cleaner and more mature than the Supra. The Supra looks like it was designed by a 12-year old kid. Love that there is no horrible duckbill spoiler. If the tail lights are truly inspired from the 300ZX tail lights, it should be terrific!

1000% an aftermarket duckbill will be produced :rofl2:

1/4atatime 05-28-2020 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3937644)
new Z wont be crazy priced. they've mentioned it many times they were staying competitive or below other cars in the segment.

to solve your Q60 issues......DCT and buy the Fast Intentions exhaust just like 90% of people.

no stock exhaust really sounds good.

also......how did we swing a new Z convo into "800whp reliable"? :facepalm:

no 800whp modified car is reliable. maybe a GTR with a $18k shep trans and around $10k in a built bottom end. even then not bulletproof.

as for modding potential of the 370, most monster stock engine numbers you see are not real or they most likely did a hot tune hero pull for the graph with fingers crossed. highly doubt stock block guys run around daily driving on their 700whp tune. :bowrofl:

I never said the 800hp number was on a stock block the 800hp q60 isn't on one and that's what I was comparing it to. Also speaking of stock numbers people pushing their q60s to 500~ hp are more likely to blow an engine than someone doing a 500~ HP build on a stock 370z block. DCT and exhaust doesn't fix the drive by wire and boring driving qualities. I have doubts Nissan can make a good car anymore however I will be very excited to see them prove me wrong but none of the newer chassis they make are inspiring any confidence. Just my 2c but what does it matter I'm not an engineer at Nissan and everything is pure speculation till people get their hands on one.

goeagles11 05-28-2020 05:39 PM

Awesome. Can’t wait to learn more about it.

tvfreakazoid 05-28-2020 06:08 PM

Having the Z as the flagship is a step down imo. Let's hope they keep improving on the gtr and keep.

I'll be in my bunk!

tvfreakazoid 05-28-2020 06:09 PM

6sp manual is nice, but it wont keep up with bmw supra. Hell Nissan's auto transmission will be there weak point.

I'll be in my bunk!

tvfreakazoid 05-28-2020 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sunkist350z (Post 3937572)

Its obvious the writer didnt do his homework.
The bmw supra didnt get 50hp bump 1 yr after the release. It makes no sense. Its probably the same hp, but instead they didnt lie about the hp rating for the 2020 model line imo.

I'll be in my bunk!

tvfreakazoid 05-28-2020 06:17 PM

The question is, is the wheelbase size going to be the same as the 370z? I hope they dont go shorter like the bmw supra.

I'll be in my bunk!

tvfreakazoid 05-28-2020 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3937644)
new Z wont be crazy priced. they've mentioned it many times they were staying competitive or below other cars in the segment.



to solve your Q60 issues......DCT and buy the Fast Intentions exhaust just like 90% of people.



no stock exhaust really sounds good.



also......how did we swing a new Z convo into "800whp reliable"? :facepalm:



no 800whp modified car is reliable. maybe a GTR with a $18k shep trans and around $10k in a built bottom end. even then not bulletproof.



as for modding potential of the 370, most monster stock engine numbers you see are not real or they most likely did a hot tune hero pull for the graph with fingers crossed. highly doubt stock block guys run around daily driving on their 700whp tune. :bowrofl:

Well it can be reliable assuming u dont beat on it all the time.
Beat on a stock car and it wont last long.

Well I'm sure it will last a little longer. But u get my point.


I'll be in my bunk!

viiv 05-28-2020 06:30 PM

Will there be a 2021 Z34 370Z?
 
These new models Nissan showed off in their YouTube video today are all coming out in the next 18 months.

If the new Z35 is later in the 18 month window, that puts its release date as late as November, 2021! Obviously if this is the case, the Z35 would be introduced as a 2022 model.

So with this kind of potential lead time, will there be one more year; a 2021 Z34 370Z?

BoilardZ 05-28-2020 07:33 PM

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I'm really hoping the Z35 will include a roadster option. And maybe by then they can figure out how to make a soft top that doesn't collide with itself.

Ventruck 05-28-2020 07:49 PM

Joining the armchair speculation with not-so original takes:

Motor exists
Maybe they'll re-use a platform
Doesn't sound like there was any partnership unless I missed something.

A manual is probably still easier to manufacture and engineer around, while appealing to the same existing niche, and hopefully tipping more in favor of buyer accesibility within said niche. But if we had to settle, it give us something reliable and not a price-gouger.

Opportune time to fufill the voids of the Supra. Might not be as fast, but buyer accessibility and just meeting rather simple fanatical demands will carry more weight. I can keep nut sucking the idea of saving towards a C8 for the supercar bargain it hopefuly stays on track of being...but end of the day, I'm open to something that makes a point to not needing to spend the extra ~$30,000.

Nissan doesn't have to do rocket surgery here. Just...make the car.

OptionZero 05-28-2020 08:07 PM

Strictly speaking, the engine was developed with Mercedes

viiv 05-28-2020 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BoilardZ (Post 3937695)
I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I'm really hoping the Z35 will include a roadster option. And maybe by then they can figure out how to make a soft top that doesn't collide with itself.

Nope. This article from Australia (where the roadster was sold for MY2020) confirms there will be no roadster option going forward:

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...e-chop-120107/

ped 05-28-2020 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid (Post 3937671)
Its obvious the writer didnt do his homework.
The bmw supra didnt get 50hp bump 1 yr after the release. It makes no sense. Its probably the same hp, but instead they didnt lie about the hp rating for the 2020 model line imo.

I'll be in my bunk!

No, there were actual changes to the engine and the Supra HP bump is legit.


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