Something's up with my stock clutch

wdkwang · 10-06-2014, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder370

I have a 2010 sport touring with 46k miles and my Z. My CSC went out almost over night in the matter of 12 hours. Was catching at almost 2 inches from the floor then the peddle wouldn't even come all the way out. After that I couldn't put it into gear..

Thanks for replying. So it was completely normal and then it went to sh1t all in the course of 12 hours with no signs of failure beforehand? Also, did you have to get it towed to the dealership? And did they cover all the bills? Thanks

Mbreese · 10-06-2014, 10:16 PM

$100.00 on the CSC is fixing to go out . They go out several different ways, all at once, or gradually , since heat usually makes things expand it wouldn't be a stretch to think that once the car is warmed up seals expand as dose metal ! If it was a syncro it wouldn't be intermittent it would be constant !

kenchan · 10-07-2014, 10:44 AM

wdk- so you check your clutch fluid level yet? post wisely..

wdkwang · 10-07-2014, 10:57 AM

the latest update:

talked to koeppel nissan. i'm bringing it in this friday for them to first see if changing it out to "GTR fluid" will work. "may or may not work"
i have my doubts about it working but at least that's one less DIY job i have to do

kenchan · 10-07-2014, 10:59 AM

have them check blinker fluid while they're at it. might be low too.

wdkwang · 10-07-2014, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

have them check blinker fluid while they're at it. might be low too.

you must have a lot of time on your hands

Joe@ZSpeed · 10-07-2014, 12:12 PM

From what you are describing it is the Clutch Master getting weak, It happens about as often as the slave cylinder dying except when the slave goes you will have no pedal at all.

The master cylinder is your issue right now, GTR fluid may help for a bit but you will be back for a master cylinder replacement soon after.

The GTR fluid is a higher viscosity (like motul RBF660, Pretty sure it's the same fluid) and will help the seals in the master seal better effectively putting a band-aid on the real problem (master cylinder)

kenchan · 10-07-2014, 12:29 PM

so i guess you sell upgraded master cylinders as well?

Joe@ZSpeed · 10-07-2014, 12:40 PM

No, not yet.... Stock masters are in stock though.

wdkwang · 10-07-2014, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe@ZSpeed

From what you are describing it is the Clutch Master getting weak, It happens about as often as the slave cylinder dying except when the slave goes you will have no pedal at all.

The master cylinder is your issue right now, GTR fluid may help for a bit but you will be back for a master cylinder replacement soon after.

The GTR fluid is a higher viscosity (like motul RBF660, Pretty sure it's the same fluid) and will help the seals in the master seal better effectively putting a band-aid on the real problem (master cylinder)

so does this mean i will need both a master and slave replacement? if so, how will i convince nissan to get it done under warranty? my powertrain warranty runs out 6/2015, and i rather not wait until im stranded and need it towed to a dealership and pay out the @ss on bills. you already know nissan has a tendency to do whatever it takes to get out of work.

JARblue · 10-07-2014, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

so i guess you sell upgraded master cylinders as well?

No... there is no aftermarket CMC option. WHY THE FVCK NOT?!?!? SOMEONE GET ON THAT!!!

Joe@ZSpeed · 10-07-2014, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

No... there is no aftermarket CMC option. WHY THE FVCK NOT?!?!? SOMEONE GET ON THAT!!!

Wait patiently

JARblue · 10-07-2014, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by wdkwang

so does this mean i will need both a master and slave replacement? if so, how will i convince nissan to get it done under warranty? my powertrain warranty runs out 6/2015, and i rather not wait until im stranded and need it towed to a dealership and pay out the @ss on bills. you already know nissan has a tendency to do whatever it takes to get out of work.

You should do a lot more reading on these topics than you appear to have done

The CMC is much less labor than the CSC, so there's no point in doing the slave if just the master is going. Unless you're like me and do it as preventative maintenance - I went ahead and installed an aftermarket slave cylinder.

I have personally posted a lot of information in various threads regarding Nissan's attitude towards warranty coverage of several Powertrain items, CSC included. Basically, the will cover it under Powertrain (5yr/60K) if you get lots of work done at the dealer. If you spend a bunch of money there, they are more likely to give you what they call "good will" coverage. That means they don't have to cover it but they think you're a deserving customer. I'm not a deserving customer, so they can go fvck themselves. I'll DIY it and put in higher quality aftermarket parts instead of crappy prone-to-failure OEM parts. I love my Z, but Nissan can

JARblue · 10-07-2014, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe@ZSpeed

Wait patiently

I know, but how long do I have to wait patiently?? I don't want to get prematurely

I have enough problems with that in the bedroom

wdkwang · 10-07-2014, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

You should do a lot more reading on these topics than you appear to have done

The CMC is much less labor than the CSC, so there's no point in doing the slave if just the master is going. Unless you're like me and do it as preventative maintenance - I went ahead and installed an aftermarket slave cylinder.

I have personally posted a lot of information in various threads regarding Nissan's attitude towards warranty coverage of several Powertrain items, CSC included. Basically, the will cover it under Powertrain (5yr/60K) if you get lots of work done at the dealer. If you spend a bunch of money there, they are more likely to give you what they call "good will" coverage. That means they don't have to cover it but they think you're a deserving customer. I'm not a deserving customer, so they can go fvck themselves. I'll DIY it and put in higher quality aftermarket parts instead of crappy prone-to-failure OEM parts. I love my Z, but Nissan can

if i'm reading that correctly, having the CMC replaced will alleviate the situation with the CSC and all will be good again? i will look through your threads in the meantime. today has been a very unproductive day at work..

10-06-2014, 10:16 PM	#32 (permalink)
Mbreese Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Cartersville,Ga Posts: 331 Drives: Metalic-Gray,09 370Z Rep Power: 31	$100.00 on the CSC is fixing to go out . They go out several different ways, all at once, or gradually , since heat usually makes things expand it wouldn't be a stretch to think that once the car is warmed up seals expand as dose metal ! If it was a syncro it wouldn't be intermittent it would be constant ! wdkwang likes this.

10-07-2014, 10:57 AM	#34 (permalink)
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10-07-2014, 12:12 PM	#37 (permalink)
Joe@ZSpeed The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,304 Drives: Nissan Rep Power: 342999	From what you are describing it is the Clutch Master getting weak, It happens about as often as the slave cylinder dying except when the slave goes you will have no pedal at all. The master cylinder is your issue right now, GTR fluid may help for a bit but you will be back for a master cylinder replacement soon after. The GTR fluid is a higher viscosity (like motul RBF660, Pretty sure it's the same fluid) and will help the seals in the master seal better effectively putting a band-aid on the real problem (master cylinder) wdkwang and JARblue like this. __________________ Phone *937-506-7224* E-Mail Sales@Zspeed.com www.ZSPEED.com

10-07-2014, 12:40 PM	#39 (permalink)
Joe@ZSpeed The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,304 Drives: Nissan Rep Power: 342999	No, not yet.... Stock masters are in stock though. __________________ Phone *937-506-7224* E-Mail Sales@Zspeed.com www.ZSPEED.com

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10-07-2014, 10:44 AM	#33 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141520	wdk- so you check your clutch fluid level yet? post wisely..

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