Hellaflush is now... Illegal?!?!

cooltoy · 08-13-2014, 04:07 PM

Tinting is illegal in Alberta, doesn't mean we don't tint. You know - Pay to play.

Read T · 08-13-2014, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by vividracing

Ummmmm.... Arent we already? lol

I guess? I've been driving cars with wider wheels/tires and lowered for the past 15 years and I have never had a single ticket.

FPenvy · 08-13-2014, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cooltoy

Tinting is illegal in Alberta, doesn't mean we don't tint. You know - Pay to play.

same in PA. i just never tinted because it's not worth the hassle here.

now straight pipes on the other hand you'd think would draw more attention than tint.....obviously not the case lol

cooltoy · 08-13-2014, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Read T

I guess? I've been driving cars with wider wheels/tires and lowered for the past 15 years and I have never had a single ticket.

Now you jinxed it.

vividracing · 08-13-2014, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Read T

I guess? I've been driving cars with wider wheels/tires and lowered for the past 15 years and I have never had a single ticket.

Yeah, its all about location. I grew up in so cal, so you can only imagine all the BS that cops put people through out there just to get revenue for the state. I've gotten mud flap tickets (lifted truck obviously), tint, stereo too loud, exhaust too loud, on a street bike even, if you can believe that garbage!

Z1NONLY · 08-13-2014, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by vividracing

If i were to guess, since they are basing this on the vehicle being unsafe, they are talking about the tire issue not contacting the road. If that were the case, the smart thing to do would be put something into effect with percentages. Meaning, if more than 50% of your tire is not making contact with the road, you're screwed. That would make sense

But 49% of a 315/40 18 is still more contact patch than 51% of 175/80 15 econo-box tire?

vividracing · 08-13-2014, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Z1NONLY

But 49% of a 315/40 18 is still more contact patch than 51% of 175/80 15 econo-box tire?

Right, but are you forgetting that tires are made to perform flat on the ground. Sidewalls stretch and grip the road, grooves in the tire divert water to better handling in rain. With half the tire off the ground, it cant do those thing, not to mention putting twice the stress on the inside sidewall (which is only designed to handle a certain weight limit) So, ill take 100% of a 175/80 over 30% of a 315 any day.

FPenvy · 08-13-2014, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by vividracing

Right, but are you forgetting that tires are made to perform flat on the ground. Sidewalls stretch and grip the road, grooves in the tire divert water to better handling in rain. With half the tire off the ground, it cant do those thing, not to mention putting twice the stress on the inside sidewall (which is only designed to handle a certain weight limit) So, ill take 100% of a 175/80 over 30% of a 315 any day.

also throw in the fact that typically the outside 1/3 of the tire tread block is the real part designed for traction.

on a stance vehicle thats the first part that gets pulled away from the pavement.

vividracing · 08-13-2014, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

also throw in the fact that typically the outside 1/3 of the tire tread block is the real part designed for traction.

on a stance vehicle thats the first part that gets pulled away from the pavement.

WOW... twice in one day

FPenvy · 08-13-2014, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by vividracing

WOW... twice in one day

well when you actually make GOOD points i cant help but to agree and also add extra info that you missed

DEpointfive0 · 08-13-2014, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by vividracing

Soooooooo... Bad news for you hellaflush guys, especially if you live in Quebec Canada. Apparently, the Canadian government has made the hellaflush cars banned on roads. So far its just in the Quebec province, but they are saying it might spread.... You know what this means... Its only a matter of time before US gets wind of this and follows suit.

Thoughts??

Here is the article

Hellaflush cars get hella banned in Quebec, rest of Canada to follow?

They outlawed it like 2 weeks ago...

The US should make it a felony

KrisL · 08-13-2014, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

yea? well i put my nuts on your drumset!

That's how they're going to measure.

If an officer can comfortably rest his nut sack on your side mirror while remaining flat footed on the ground, your stance is too extreme and you're getting towed.

cooltoy · 08-13-2014, 04:38 PM

^^^
Another reason not to lower your vehicle. I don't want anyone's nuts on my mirrors.

Z1NONLY · 08-13-2014, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

pretty much everything that is "stance" is unsafe.

tons of negative camber which reduces the tires contact patch resulting in little to no traction = unsafe.

"Tons" needs a definition, and the definition needs to be demonstrably unsafe.

My Z runs between 2.5 and 3 degrees of negative camber for track use. That amount is safe in my application and effective for handling purposes as well as mitigating outside-edge tire wear from traction-limit turning.

My camber is out of spec from Nissan's recommended range. OEM specs may become the definition of "safe" limits if these laws come our way.

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tires that are many sizes too small exposing the wheel and even sealing to the inside step of the wheels sometimes for desired looks. all resulting in a raised chance of popping the bead and having esentially a blow-out while driving = unsafe

I have no experience with going with a wheel that's wider than the tire specs. But I have ran tires that were (one size) too wide for the wheels I mounted them on (according to tire specs)

I suspect that nailing down "safe" with tire seals and the beads may be easier than defining "unsafe" camber.

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super low hardened suspension (non-air ride) to where there is little to no give. this susepension then offers no give or abosrption of the bumps of normal driving which can result in bouncing and losing control of the vehicle = unsafe.

shall i continue? lol

The only way to get "no give" would be to use solid materials all the way to the pavement. (No tires, no bushings etc)

I don't think "no give" is the legal definition you are looking for.

Again, I'm not a fan of "stance" I think it's a waste of money. However I take great care not to demand laws that outlaw things just because I don't like them or think they are stupid.

If we can come up with definitions that go to someone endangering others on the road, great.

But banning tastelessness is a very slippery slope. I think it's particularly unwise for automotive enthusiasts set foot on such a slope.

Haboob · 08-13-2014, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

well with you behind the wheel everyone else felt unsafe

As they should!

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

this is why the terrorists are winning

That and Southwest Airlines.

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They outlawed it like 2 weeks ago...

The US should make it a felony

Your face is a felony.

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