Bad sales new for z's

Chteelers · 05-16-2013, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by seizer8

Slower or not, the Z is a beautiful car, better looking by far than the 350z. Not to mention the WRX which is ugly. The Corvette, nice car, maybe next time.
Mustang and Camaro are on every corner.

The Z is rarer, and albeit not so much faster, but plenty fast enough.

This is important. The 370Z lacks a killer-app, a chart-topping figure that gets people talking. Don't get me wrong, I love my Z because its 9/10s as good as the other sports cars in every category, but it doesn't beat them in any category either. No trump card. What are the big selling points for the other cars?

Mustang & Camaro: Highest horsepower.
FRS & Miata: Cost.
WRX & EVO: All wheel drive.
Boxster: Luxury, and handling.
Corvette: Value. Porsche performance that normal people can afford.

The Z is 2nd or 3rd place in each of those categories, so it represents (for us) the best overall package, but compromise doesn't shout loud in the press.

takjak2 · 05-16-2013, 03:04 PM

I still hold that there is no better price/performance package than the 370Z. I don't care about a drag strip and I do care about road course performance. What we have is a car than hangs with Porsches for well less than half of the price.

Nissan had the right idea with this marketing and it is still true.

See also: Top Gear's 370Z vs Z4 conclusion

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-16-2013, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

I say give the market a few years and we will have an influx of buyers trading in their Toyobaru for more power. The toyobarus will go to highschoolers and kids starting college, and those in the market for a Japanese sports car will have few options if they buy new.

Currently there is the EVO (for how long), WRX/STI, Z, and GTR that are still sold new. Toyota sits on their sales throne with their thumb up their @ss on the future Supra, Acura teases a retard expensive NSX, Honda doesn't have $hit but an Si (ROFL), the market was starved for cheap performance. Mazda has the MX-5, but that is catered to a very specific market, and the MS3, which is long in the tooth.

Believe it or not, some of these guys in their current econoboxes, wannabe sports cars, and Toyobarus want something faster and moar race car. Believe it or not, not all of them want a Camaro/Mustang/Challenger. Nissan would be foolish to miss this opportunity in their redesign. Some of us just want a Japanese sports car. There are plenty of American and European choices.

Go back and read the reviews of when the 370Z first came to market. It was praised. The car didn't change. Even in the midst of the SS having 426hp, it was still praised. The problem was that it's flaws were highly criticized in nearly every magazine they don't care about reporting your steering lock issues). Oil temps, brakes failing after a lap, and the NVH, which I really just think is a $hitty stock exhaust. Rough exhaust sound can easily be mistaken as rough engine. Every enthusiast that cross shops will read a mag review and see it. In reality, those issues aren't a problem for most owners. How many forum members have actually driven the balls out of the car to the point where they ran into those issues? There are some, but not many. The shadow of doubt has been cast from the beginning. It was Nissan's choice not to fix those issues that year and they did not.

They lost that gamble It wasn't until 2012 they half a$$ed the oil cooler, 2013- upgraded brake lines and fluid, but the Nismo pads are still an option. . Ford and Chevy continued to improve. The Mustang improved power, added Recaro Seats, introduced the Boss 302, improved their GT500 every year, and catered to their market. The Camaro improved the steering wheel people complained about, the shift knob, the Suspension in 2012, as well as improved the interior, added the 1LE package for their enthusiasts, introduced the ZL1 package, and they brought back the Z28 option. And Chevy has the Corvette if they didn't cover the market enough. We have to go from Z to GTR, that's a significant price jump. The Nismo is not doing well to fill that gap or separate it's performance enough from normal Z's for the price they charge. In comparison, we see a huge performance improvement from a base Mustang GT to a Boss or even a track pack. Same goes for a Base SS to the 1LE.

I don't think Nissan needs to go punch for punch in the HP war, but they need to make up for it everywhere else.

This

I agree with everything you said. But your last sentence hits home.

edub370 · 05-16-2013, 03:11 PM

the z isn't GREAT at anything.... its good at everything.

Chteelers · 05-16-2013, 03:19 PM

Off the top of my head, what the Z's main selling point could be: technology.

Put in heads-up display. Give it an awesome sound system with touch screen standard. Make the interior and exterior lighting more interesting. Hell, install front and rear video cameras that can be activated by steering wheel button to record some awesome driving. Press a button to share to Facebook via your bluetooth phone. Seriously. Nothing screams Japanese like some geeky technological stuff.

Surely this could be added for less cost than trying to make an engine that beats the Americans at their own game. Forget a 500hp twin turbo monster. The muscle cars will beat it the very next year; that's what they do. Give it a moderate HP bump to 360 hp, but make it techno COOL. A drivable iPad, that feel like Tron inside, bumping to dubstep.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-16-2013, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by edub370

the z isn't GREAT at anything.... its good at everything.

Its great at one thing. Making you feel connected to the car and road.

kenchan · 05-16-2013, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by edub370

the z isn't GREAT at anything.... its good at everything.

Not true. 370Z is great at making me happy. Tired of whiners

VSS370z · 05-16-2013, 03:25 PM

I live in Puerto Rico and is the same thing,i see Mustangs and Camaros every freaking day but i can go without seeing another 370z for weeks even 350z's are rare here. 3 years owning a 370z and it still put a smile on my face!

Chteelers · 05-16-2013, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chteelers

Off the top of my head, what the Z's main selling point could be: technology.

Put in heads-up display. Give it an awesome sound system with touch screen standard. Make the interior and exterior lighting more interesting. Hell, install front and rear video cameras that can be activated by steering wheel button to record some awesome driving. Press a button to share to Facebook via your bluetooth phone. Seriously. Nothing screams Japanese like some geeky technological stuff.

Surely this could be added for less cost than trying to make an engine that beats the Americans at their own game. Forget a 500hp twin turbo monster. The muscle cars will beat it the very next year; that's what they do. Give it a moderate HP bump to 360 hp, but make it techno COOL. A drivable iPad, that feel like Tron inside, bumping to dubstep.

Integrated GoPros with an instant social media share button. Just realized how awesome that would be.

edub370 · 05-16-2013, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Chteelers

Integrated GoPros with an instant social media share button. Just realized how awesome that would be.

if my state wont let me talk on a cell phone while driving, im gonna guess there may be some red tape involved with this much tech.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-16-2013, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by VSS370z

I live in Puerto Rico and is the same thing,i see Mustangs and Camaros every freaking day but i can go without seeing another 370z for weeks even 350z's are rare here. 3 years owning a 370z and it still put a smile on my face!

Z's in Puerto Rico are like $53k and unreachable to 90% of the natives... They are priced to sell to corporate raiders living on the island, exploiting it.

Magic Bus · 05-16-2013, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribalpinoy91

The new 13's are ugly, to me completely changed the attitude of the Z with the redesigned front bumper.

Beaten to death here on this forum. Let's please not go here again.

ShutokuZ · 05-16-2013, 04:04 PM

I have had a Gt-r (although it was an R-32), 911c2, Evo IX, e36m3 and an e46M3 and my 13 Z is my second favorite car out of those. It makes up everywhere where others were lacking, and where it lacks, it makes up in beauty! I would not trade it in for any other car out there. Well, none that I can afford anyways.....

Shadax · 05-16-2013, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Magic Bus

Beaten to death here on this forum. Let's please not go here again.

I gotta admit I think the LED bumpers look pretty cool. It's pushing more towards the euro look though (audi, mercedes), so I can see how it's frowned upon.

kfull · 05-16-2013, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Magic Bus

Beaten to death here on this forum. Let's please not go here again.

I didn't like it either when it first came out but after seeing a few 13s in person I changed my mind and I now like the look of the led daytime running lights( although I've noticed more and more cars on the road with led running lights- seems like its become a fad)

05-16-2013, 03:04 PM	#62 (permalink)
takjak2 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Sterling, VA Posts: 1,922 Drives: Legit Racecar 370Z Rep Power: 142	I still hold that there is no better price/performance package than the 370Z. I don't care about a drag strip and I do care about road course performance. What we have is a car than hangs with Porsches for well less than half of the price. Nissan had the right idea with this marketing and it is still true. See also: Top Gear's 370Z vs Z4 conclusion my2004Z likes this. __________________ Mods \| Stuff \| Things \| Seat Time \| Nismo facebook.com/TeamSparrowSpeed

05-16-2013, 03:11 PM	#64 (permalink)
edub370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,458 Drives: 09 370z S/T 6MT Rep Power: 19	the z isn't GREAT at anything.... its good at everything. __________________ 09 370Z ST 6MT//Injen CAI//Greddy CBE//TP//TSW's//Swifts//Stillen lip//Whiteline sways 326whp/268tq

05-16-2013, 03:19 PM	#65 (permalink)
Chteelers Base Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Charlotte Posts: 63 Drives: '11 Nissan 370Z M6 Rep Power: 13	Off the top of my head, what the Z's main selling point could be: technology. Put in heads-up display. Give it an awesome sound system with touch screen standard. Make the interior and exterior lighting more interesting. Hell, install front and rear video cameras that can be activated by steering wheel button to record some awesome driving. Press a button to share to Facebook via your bluetooth phone. Seriously. Nothing screams Japanese like some geeky technological stuff. Surely this could be added for less cost than trying to make an engine that beats the Americans at their own game. Forget a 500hp twin turbo monster. The muscle cars will beat it the very next year; that's what they do. Give it a moderate HP bump to 360 hp, but make it techno COOL. A drivable iPad, that feel like Tron inside, bumping to dubstep. Vaughanabe13 likes this.

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