Bad sales new for z's
 

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/the...dy-z-505493160


can't say it surprises me. just means its a hell of a lot more exclussive than the 350.

read. discuss.

Read it and one of the comments is correct.
The Z is beaten in most of the categories it competes in by any other competitor, and then the price is in a bracket that is not the best value for what you get.

Yep, exactly

Honestly, if all I cared about was performance/price ratio and whatever I would have definitely got a Mustang/Camaro/WRX etc. whatever the hell else you want to put in that price bracket.

Main reason why I got a Z was its uncommon-ness (at least in my parts of the world) compared to the rest of the cars. I like to stand out from the rest of the pack :tup:

The price increase is the craziest thing in my mind.

I wonder how many folks driving 09-12 Z's would have bought in at the current price.

WRONG. Science: The Z is perfect. :ugh2:

It's an interesting write-up on a discussion we've kicked around in here already.

There's a couple things to consider. First, the early 2000s were dominated by import tuning. American "sports" cars were GARBAGE. Since the retro phase came back ~2005, they've really improved and seen a lot of sales. I see far fewer entry-mid level sports cars on the road today, probably due to the economic pinch of the last decade. However, with things starting to turn around, cars like the FR-S/BRZ have better chances of succeeding.

Also, 03 was the first year of the 350Z, which I think was more of a brand new car to most people than the 370z. It had less in common with the 300ZX than the 370 does with the 350, visually and mechanically.

And, as has been beaten to death in the forums, the 370z is part of a dying breed. (Relatively) Big displacement, naturally aspirated, kinda-heavy cars are vanishing. The VQ can't hang around much longer. At this point it would be a freshman in college. It's reliable, it's just old.

As for a BRZ/FR-S competitor, it's also been droned on and on about that EVERY car company wants a competitor for it. I'm of the opinion that Nissan keeps the Z with 240 option beneath it. I think it'd really suck if Nissan's performance options were either a featherweight introductory sports car or a $100k super car with nothing in between. But, of course I'm biased (toward awesome).

In 2009, the Z was way higher on the food chain than it is now. It had more power than the V6 Mustang of that year, more than the V8 Mustang of the previous generation, and offered a much better driving experience. V8 muscle cars are (kind of) immune to the demand for more advanced/efficient engineering, because their market still wants to go fast in a straight line after shredding some rubber. Cars with smaller engines (V6 and under) have to face this challenge head on, because that market doesn't buy cars to spit Skoal and listen to Van Halen. We want more out of our engineering.

Any way you slice it, Nissan's got their work cut out for them. The Z has, in my perception, always resided in the gray area between GTIs, Civic Sis, etc and V8 muscle. It's a tough role to play.

I love my z and have fully enjoyed every mile that I've driven l. That's all that matters to me:driving:. And I like the looks of the z way better than any other other car in its category.

A lot of people talk about the weight of the car, but its competitors weigh more. 200+ pounds more. The only way to shed more weight is to make the Z smaller, and it is already smaller compared to it's competitors. There is barely any room in the engine bay, and the hatch isn't exactly big either. How much smaller can it get? And they are already using expensive aluminum to drop weight, again making it more expensive.

There really is only one problem with the Z, and that is the engine. Not enough power output in contrast to other cars in its class. At 3.7 liters, there isn't much more room for growth. The only solution to catch up is FI, and that will just make the car even more expensive, and more expensive to repair. But I don't see another way unless they go v8. Hahahaha. I really do wish that would happen though. I know, I know, the Z is a 6 cylinder car. But if they can make the leap from inline to v, why not add two cylinders too?

Or drop it back to 3.5, then put a turbo on it, which is what everyone really wants. Tuners would be salivating. But what would that do to the price?

The Z34 looks 100x better than any other car mentioned in this thread. I know power is everything for some people, but I wanted a car that also looked like pure sex, so I got a 370Z. I guarantee you all of those people in the comments of that article would turn their head as a 370Z drove by. They can justify why they don't want to buy one, but that doesn't change the fact they will keep their eyes glued to it like magnets until it's out of sight.

I think the Z is very much overpriced compared to Camaro SS and Mustang GT from a performance standpoint. You used to be able to argue that the fit and finish on those cars was terrible but it isn't so anymore. The Z is still better but not by a long shot these days. The main problem with the Z(to enthusiasts) is that it doesn't respond well to mods. Most enthusiasts will buy the car they like regardless of if it's better than its competitors or not with the intention of modding the car to BE better. With the Z it takes 10k to boost it so that It can actually compete with cars that most guys can throw I/h/E on and be hauling a$$. Which can really only be solved by boost.
If Nissan could have somehow boosted the vq35/37 even if it was only to like 375hp at least then we'd have a car that would have been more likely to respond to mods not to mention easier to tune etc.

They aren't vanishing as evidenced by the sales numbers of Mustangs, Camaros and Challengers. I agree with most of what you said though, especially about the grey area between GTIs and American v8s. But I do think there is space there for it.

Awesome.

The 2003 350z started in the $26k range, that is why they sold a ton of them. The current Z prices are too high to get high sales volume. The next Z needs to have a base model in the $26k range again and a 2+2 option again and it would compete well against the BRZ.

Yeah, I was referring more to cars that aren't American muscle. They're the exception to the rule, because they will always have a "no replacement for displacement" following. (Although rumor has it Ford is slapping a turbo 4 in their next Mustang instead of the V6.) And I actually like a lot of muscle cars too. I've always liked the V8 Mustang.

I meant more of the compact sports car or commuter car. I was talking with my friend the other night about how he loved his 91 Beretta in high school, and how big and stupid that V6 was. You'll never see that again.

No 2+2 option, keep it 2 seater only, but I agree on lowering the price per the current performance. If they opted to do a 3.0L and add boost at the current price point it would be worth it.

But most of that volume are the V6 models in the $22-$26 range. If you want sales volume you have to compete in this lower price range. This is the price the average buyer wants to spend. Having a back seat, however small it is, is also what the average buyer wants.