Bad sales new for z's

SS_Firehawk · 05-16-2013, 02:54 PM

I say give the market a few years and we will have an influx of buyers trading in their Toyobaru for more power. The toyobarus will go to highschoolers and kids starting college, and those in the market for a Japanese sports car will have few options if they buy new.

Currently there is the EVO (for how long), WRX/STI, Z, and GTR that are still sold new. Toyota sits on their sales throne with their thumb up their @ss on the future Supra, Acura teases a retard expensive NSX, Honda doesn't have $hit but an Si (ROFL), the market was starved for cheap performance. Mazda has the MX-5, but that is catered to a very specific market, and the MS3, which is long in the tooth.

Believe it or not, some of these guys in their current econoboxes, wannabe sports cars, and Toyobarus want something faster and moar race car. Believe it or not, not all of them want a Camaro/Mustang/Challenger. Nissan would be foolish to miss this opportunity in their redesign. Some of us just want a Japanese sports car. There are plenty of American and European choices.

Go back and read the reviews of when the 370Z first came to market. It was praised. The car didn't change. Even in the midst of the SS having 426hp, it was still praised. The problem was that it's flaws were highly criticized in nearly every magazine they don't care about reporting your steering lock issues). Oil temps, brakes failing after a lap, and the NVH, which I really just think is a $hitty stock exhaust. Rough exhaust sound can easily be mistaken as rough engine. Every enthusiast that cross shops will read a mag review and see it. In reality, those issues aren't a problem for most owners. How many forum members have actually driven the balls out of the car to the point where they ran into those issues? There are some, but not many. The shadow of doubt has been cast from the beginning. It was Nissan's choice not to fix those issues that year and they did not.

They lost that gamble It wasn't until 2012 they half a$$ed the oil cooler, 2013- upgraded brake lines and fluid, but the Nismo pads are still an option. . Ford and Chevy continued to improve. The Mustang improved power, added Recaro Seats, introduced the Boss 302, improved their GT500 every year, and catered to their market. The Camaro improved the steering wheel people complained about, the shift knob, the Suspension in 2012, as well as improved the interior, added the 1LE package for their enthusiasts, introduced the ZL1 package, and they brought back the Z28 option. And Chevy has the Corvette if they didn't cover the market enough. We have to go from Z to GTR, that's a significant price jump. The Nismo is not doing well to fill that gap or separate it's performance enough from normal Z's for the price they charge. In comparison, we see a huge performance improvement from a base Mustang GT to a Boss or even a track pack. Same goes for a Base SS to the 1LE.

I don't think Nissan needs to go punch for punch in the HP war, but they need to make up for it everywhere else.

takjak2 · 05-16-2013, 03:04 PM

I still hold that there is no better price/performance package than the 370Z. I don't care about a drag strip and I do care about road course performance. What we have is a car than hangs with Porsches for well less than half of the price.

Nissan had the right idea with this marketing and it is still true.

See also: Top Gear's 370Z vs Z4 conclusion

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-16-2013, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

I say give the market a few years and we will have an influx of buyers trading in their Toyobaru for more power. The toyobarus will go to highschoolers and kids starting college, and those in the market for a Japanese sports car will have few options if they buy new.

Currently there is the EVO (for how long), WRX/STI, Z, and GTR that are still sold new. Toyota sits on their sales throne with their thumb up their @ss on the future Supra, Acura teases a retard expensive NSX, Honda doesn't have $hit but an Si (ROFL), the market was starved for cheap performance. Mazda has the MX-5, but that is catered to a very specific market, and the MS3, which is long in the tooth.

Believe it or not, some of these guys in their current econoboxes, wannabe sports cars, and Toyobarus want something faster and moar race car. Believe it or not, not all of them want a Camaro/Mustang/Challenger. Nissan would be foolish to miss this opportunity in their redesign. Some of us just want a Japanese sports car. There are plenty of American and European choices.

Go back and read the reviews of when the 370Z first came to market. It was praised. The car didn't change. Even in the midst of the SS having 426hp, it was still praised. The problem was that it's flaws were highly criticized in nearly every magazine they don't care about reporting your steering lock issues). Oil temps, brakes failing after a lap, and the NVH, which I really just think is a $hitty stock exhaust. Rough exhaust sound can easily be mistaken as rough engine. Every enthusiast that cross shops will read a mag review and see it. In reality, those issues aren't a problem for most owners. How many forum members have actually driven the balls out of the car to the point where they ran into those issues? There are some, but not many. The shadow of doubt has been cast from the beginning. It was Nissan's choice not to fix those issues that year and they did not.

They lost that gamble It wasn't until 2012 they half a$$ed the oil cooler, 2013- upgraded brake lines and fluid, but the Nismo pads are still an option. . Ford and Chevy continued to improve. The Mustang improved power, added Recaro Seats, introduced the Boss 302, improved their GT500 every year, and catered to their market. The Camaro improved the steering wheel people complained about, the shift knob, the Suspension in 2012, as well as improved the interior, added the 1LE package for their enthusiasts, introduced the ZL1 package, and they brought back the Z28 option. And Chevy has the Corvette if they didn't cover the market enough. We have to go from Z to GTR, that's a significant price jump. The Nismo is not doing well to fill that gap or separate it's performance enough from normal Z's for the price they charge. In comparison, we see a huge performance improvement from a base Mustang GT to a Boss or even a track pack. Same goes for a Base SS to the 1LE.

I don't think Nissan needs to go punch for punch in the HP war, but they need to make up for it everywhere else.

This

I agree with everything you said. But your last sentence hits home.

VSS370z · 05-16-2013, 03:25 PM

I live in Puerto Rico and is the same thing,i see Mustangs and Camaros every freaking day but i can go without seeing another 370z for weeks even 350z's are rare here. 3 years owning a 370z and it still put a smile on my face!

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-16-2013, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by VSS370z

I live in Puerto Rico and is the same thing,i see Mustangs and Camaros every freaking day but i can go without seeing another 370z for weeks even 350z's are rare here. 3 years owning a 370z and it still put a smile on my face!

Z's in Puerto Rico are like $53k and unreachable to 90% of the natives... They are priced to sell to corporate raiders living on the island, exploiting it.

Tribalpinoy91 · 05-16-2013, 02:56 PM

The new 13's are ugly, to me completely changed the attitude of the Z with the redesigned front bumper.

Magic Bus · 05-16-2013, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribalpinoy91

The new 13's are ugly, to me completely changed the attitude of the Z with the redesigned front bumper.

Beaten to death here on this forum. Let's please not go here again.

Shadax · 05-16-2013, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Magic Bus

Beaten to death here on this forum. Let's please not go here again.

I gotta admit I think the LED bumpers look pretty cool. It's pushing more towards the euro look though (audi, mercedes), so I can see how it's frowned upon.

kfull · 05-16-2013, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Magic Bus

Beaten to death here on this forum. Let's please not go here again.

I didn't like it either when it first came out but after seeing a few 13s in person I changed my mind and I now like the look of the led daytime running lights( although I've noticed more and more cars on the road with led running lights- seems like its become a fad)

Amuse370z · 05-16-2013, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribalpinoy91

The new 13's are ugly, to me completely changed the attitude of the Z with the redesigned front bumper.

Its like the 350z guys hating on the 370z. People just don't like to see their car being upgraded and knowing they still have the older model. The '13 front bumper looks 10x better than the old one, you have to see it in person to appreciate it.

I'm going to stop here. But its irrelevant to me since I'm going Amuse anyway.

Driftomodachi · 05-16-2013, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Amuse370z

Its like the 350z guys hating on the 370z. People just don't like to see their car being upgraded and knowing they still have the older model. The '13 front bumper looks 10x better than the old one, you have to see it in person to appreciate it.

I'm going to stop here. But its irrelevant to me since I'm going Amuse anyway.

I happen to like the 2009-2012 bumper.I think with the DIY daytime running lights mod it looks up to date. The 2013 reminds me of the 350z with the vertical DRL's

blackcherry20 · 05-16-2013, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribalpinoy91

The new 13's are ugly, to me completely changed the attitude of the Z with the redesigned front bumper.

Pffftttt. Very small change. It's still a very good looking sexy vehicle

I too am partial to the fangs but that doesnt exclude the '13 from being great looking too...which do you prefer: blonde, brunette or redhead. Yeah. Same thing

Magic Bus · 05-16-2013, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by blackcherry20

Pffftttt. Very small change. It's still a very good looking sexy vehicle

I too am partial to the fangs but that doesnt exclude the '13 from being great looking too...which do you prefer: blonde, brunette or redhead. Yeah. Same thing

Ahhhh, may I answer with "All 3"!!!

wstar · 05-16-2013, 03:01 PM

The GT-R isn't really a sportscar, it's a Supercar. They're different. The Z is a pretty awesome sportscar. It's in the same approximate design ballpark as a Cayman for performance, and for Cayman money you can mod it into at least as good a track car as a Cayman and still keep it reliable. This Z just feels awesome to drive. I don't really care if it loses a 1/4-mile contest to something that costs $5K less. That's not really a priority for me.

The problem here is that the rest of the market isn't like me

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-17-2013, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by wstar

The GT-R isn't really a sportscar, it's a Supercar. They're different. The Z is a pretty awesome sportscar. It's in the same approximate design ballpark as a Cayman for performance, and for Cayman money you can mod it into at least as good a track car as a Cayman and still keep it reliable. This Z just feels awesome to drive. I don't really care if it loses a 1/4-mile contest to something that costs $5K less. That's not really a priority for me.

The problem here is that the rest of the market isn't like me

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Originally Posted by ubs234

I don't know what is wrong with a lot of people. The Nissan 370z outperforms 90% of cars in it's class. Stock for stock it looks way sportier and sexier than the STI, EVO, GTI, Mustang, Honda s2k, Rx-8, Rx-7, frs, brz. Yeah FRS, BRZ, and Mustang GT also look good, but don't have that special aggressiveness that the 370z offers. Also it is faster in a straight line than aolmost every car in it's class stock for stock. It handles better than most cars besides the FRS and BRZ. Also with the Z you get a great interior which you can't get with the STI or EVO. I can keep going. Z is quality for the price it sells at. The reason other cars are cheaper is because they don't come well equipped from the factory. Z already has nice exterior, interior, and great performance. Even with a few aftermarket mods to produce some more power and better handling it is a track beast. It can also drift and AWD cars can't.

This is riddled with subjectivity and in some cases, Fanboyism. Actually, the G37x and GT-R are part-time AWD's that with some practice behind the wheel, you can actually drift them.

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Originally Posted by ubs234

FRS and BRZ are sexy and have nice interiors, but lack so much power.

Nice interiors??? The FR-S/BRZ is a lot of things but interior?

I guess that's subjective to but if you're in a Z going to an FR-S?

05-16-2013, 02:54 PM	#1 (permalink)
SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7335	I say give the market a few years and we will have an influx of buyers trading in their Toyobaru for more power. The toyobarus will go to highschoolers and kids starting college, and those in the market for a Japanese sports car will have few options if they buy new. Currently there is the EVO (for how long), WRX/STI, Z, and GTR that are still sold new. Toyota sits on their sales throne with their thumb up their @ss on the future Supra, Acura teases a retard expensive NSX, Honda doesn't have $hit but an Si (ROFL), the market was starved for cheap performance. Mazda has the MX-5, but that is catered to a very specific market, and the MS3, which is long in the tooth. Believe it or not, some of these guys in their current econoboxes, wannabe sports cars, and Toyobarus want something faster and moar race car. Believe it or not, not all of them want a Camaro/Mustang/Challenger. Nissan would be foolish to miss this opportunity in their redesign. Some of us just want a Japanese sports car. There are plenty of American and European choices. Go back and read the reviews of when the 370Z first came to market. It was praised. The car didn't change. Even in the midst of the SS having 426hp, it was still praised. The problem was that it's flaws were highly criticized in nearly every magazine they don't care about reporting your steering lock issues). Oil temps, brakes failing after a lap, and the NVH, which I really just think is a $hitty stock exhaust. Rough exhaust sound can easily be mistaken as rough engine. Every enthusiast that cross shops will read a mag review and see it. In reality, those issues aren't a problem for most owners. How many forum members have actually driven the balls out of the car to the point where they ran into those issues? There are some, but not many. The shadow of doubt has been cast from the beginning. It was Nissan's choice not to fix those issues that year and they did not. They lost that gamble It wasn't until 2012 they half a$$ed the oil cooler, 2013- upgraded brake lines and fluid, but the Nismo pads are still an option. . Ford and Chevy continued to improve. The Mustang improved power, added Recaro Seats, introduced the Boss 302, improved their GT500 every year, and catered to their market. The Camaro improved the steering wheel people complained about, the shift knob, the Suspension in 2012, as well as improved the interior, added the 1LE package for their enthusiasts, introduced the ZL1 package, and they brought back the Z28 option. And Chevy has the Corvette if they didn't cover the market enough. We have to go from Z to GTR, that's a significant price jump. The Nismo is not doing well to fill that gap or separate it's performance enough from normal Z's for the price they charge. In comparison, we see a huge performance improvement from a base Mustang GT to a Boss or even a track pack. Same goes for a Base SS to the 1LE. I don't think Nissan needs to go punch for punch in the HP war, but they need to make up for it everywhere else. UNKNOWN_370, RonZwanson, ZMan8 and 1 others like this. __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction

05-16-2013, 03:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
takjak2 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Sterling, VA Posts: 1,922 Drives: Legit Racecar 370Z Rep Power: 143	I still hold that there is no better price/performance package than the 370Z. I don't care about a drag strip and I do care about road course performance. What we have is a car than hangs with Porsches for well less than half of the price. Nissan had the right idea with this marketing and it is still true. See also: Top Gear's 370Z vs Z4 conclusion my2004Z likes this. __________________ Mods \| Stuff \| Things \| Seat Time \| Nismo facebook.com/TeamSparrowSpeed

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wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3595	The GT-R isn't really a sportscar, it's a Supercar. They're different. The Z is a pretty awesome sportscar. It's in the same approximate design ballpark as a Cayman for performance, and for Cayman money you can mod it into at least as good a track car as a Cayman and still keep it reliable. This Z just feels awesome to drive. I don't really care if it loses a 1/4-mile contest to something that costs $5K less. That's not really a priority for me. The problem here is that the rest of the market isn't like me UNKNOWN_370, Montez, ZKraken22 and 1 others like this. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

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