Bad sales new for z's

DLSTR · 05-16-2013, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by edub370

dude.... wtf are u talking about

so my question is, if the gtr is the only car worth buying... why are u sitting here in a z...?

Dont ask he will only be further confused

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-16-2013, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by edub370

dude.... wtf are u talking about

yea honda MADE good sports cars. toyota MADE a good sports car. but guess what?? who's still making sports cars (nissan). who's lot do u fall asleep in immediately when u drive thru it (honda and yoter).

and i like how u say the gtr is the only car worth buying. thats like saying, well living in the midwest is fine, but if u really cared u would live in the hamptons. I cant afford a $100k gtr!

same logic u used with the porsches. they are GREAT cars. but the only 911 u can get in for the same price as a z is like 2003 996 or u could get a higher mileage cayman s. i should tell all the true sports car guys out there in z06's or m3's that they are ONLY allowed in 911's per your advise.

so my question is, if the gtr is the only car worth buying... why are u sitting here in a z...?

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Originally Posted by Chteelers

Solution? Offer two engines like the Mustang.

$26K 300 hp, 3.0L high revving inline-4, 26 mpg, 3000 lbs
$34K 425 hp, 3.7L turbo-V6, 18mpg, 3300 lbs

The first model would steal FRS buyers who want more power, and offer an alternative to the Mustang V6 buyers. The second model competes directly with the Mustang GT, and might steal a few Vette buyers.

Nissan doesn't have generic materials in there cars so $26k is a no go. I see about $31k for a turbo 3.0 and about $40k for a turbo Z that would more rival the corvette as did with the Z32. These would be starting prices, and turbo's would make them cheap to mod so people would be willing to spend more. But knowing Nissan. It's more realistic to have one NA and one FI. I don't see two FI's at all. If anything, its one turbo and one NA hybrid.

Bucketlist2012 · 05-16-2013, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edub370

dude.... wtf are u talking about

yea honda MADE good sports cars. toyota MADE a good sports car. but guess what?? who's still making sports cars (nissan). who's lot do u fall asleep in immediately when u drive thru it (honda and yoter). honda and toyota have chosen a completely different path. they are in it to sell economy cars and make ridiculous profits. hell, i feel like toyota made the frs/brz solely to get critics of their backs. and u say IF honda made a new sports car or IF toyota made a sports car... sorry dude, but "if's" don't cut it. if frogs had wings, they wouldn't bump their asses when they hopped... get my drift..

and i like how u say the gtr is the only car worth buying. thats like saying, well living in the midwest is fine, but if u really cared u would live in the hamptons. I cant afford a $100k gtr!

same logic u used with the porsches. they are GREAT cars. but the only 911 u can get in for the same price as a z is like 2003 996 or u could get a higher mileage cayman s. i should tell all the true sports car guys out there in z06's or m3's that they are ONLY allowed in 911's per your advise.

so my question is, if the gtr is the only car worth buying... why are u sitting here in a z...?

THanks for posting JungleZ's dribble...Since I have him on my ignore list ,for obvious reasons, it was nice to see why I ignore him....

Apoc370z · 05-16-2013, 02:04 PM

I like how this thread is more about statistics and facts instead of car bashings.

But in the end, i think most Z owners know about the flaws the car have, the people that are not happy with it already moved on.

There is no doubt that there are cars that are more of a bang for the buck compare to the Z, and i have driven a lot of other luxury sports cars in the past, and they made me appreciate the Z's "roughness" more. Luxury sports cars are too tamed for my personal taste, and i find the comfort aspect of it boring..

Lastly, muscle cars are never gonna be appealing to me, not that theres anything bad about them, they just dont offer what i want.

Besides, most girls know nothing about car, th shape of the Z attracts more women!

Tigger · 05-16-2013, 02:13 PM

Also a given is that the 370 is entering its sixth model year for 2014. And with a slight change in the fascia and maybe a tweaked suspension there really isn't any reason Nissan couldn't develop something else to be released for the 2014 model year. I've heard about the mini-Z. But I think it'll be a flop. The FRS is simply dominating the market and every time I see one I'm like, oooohhhh I want one! And then I realize they're simply the new Civic of the '90s and I once again realize that I drive a vehicle not many see everyday, if at all.

And to add on to that, I've seen only four 370s since I bought mine that were actually on the road. This discounts car shows and the like but even there I was one of two.

Nissan needs to seriously question their tactics and they need something new, smaller and lighter and something that will be a direct competitor of the FRS and also in that price category. It isn't exactly difficult to do. Toyota is doing it now and they are making money hand over fist.

But again, at six years? I'm not sure I've ever heard of a manufacturer going six years on a particular model without a major change or re-fresh. LED DRLs are not a major re-fresh.

Anyhow, if the Supra rumors are true and if it winds up being something really awesome and special I will buy one regardless of what Nissan attempts to do. They are simply proving themselves to be lazy. I don't like lazy. I like innovation. That is why I still respect and love the FRS even though I MAY never own one. My previous car lived in the +4k range just to get any enjoyment. Kind of sick of it.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-16-2013, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigger

Also a given is that the 370 is entering its sixth model year for 2014. And with a slight change in the fascia and maybe a tweaked suspension there really isn't any reason Nissan couldn't develop something else to be released for the 2014 model year. I've heard about the mini-Z. But I think it'll be a flop. The FRS is simply dominating the market and every time I see one I'm like, oooohhhh I want one! And then I realize they're simply the new Civic of the '90s and I once again realize that I drive a vehicle not many see everyday, if at all.

And to add on to that, I've seen only four 370s since I bought mine that were actually on the road. This discounts car shows and the like but even there I was one of two.

Nissan needs to seriously question their tactics and they need something new, smaller and lighter and something that will be a direct competitor of the FRS and also in that price category. It isn't exactly difficult to do. Toyota is doing it now and they are making money hand over fist.

But again, at six years? I'm not sure I've ever heard of a manufacturer going six years on a particular model without a major change or re-fresh. LED DRLs are not a major re-fresh.

Anyhow, if the Supra rumors are true and if it winds up being something really awesome and special I will buy one regardless of what Nissan attempts to do. They are simply proving themselves to be lazy. I don't like lazy. I like innovation. That is why I still respect and love the FRS even though I MAY never own one. My previous car lived in the +4k range just to get any enjoyment. Kind of sick of it.

American cars run long model years. Closer to a decade. There refreshes happen 5 and 6 years in. They usually add more power though. But the Z will be redesigned completely 2015/16 model so.... you heard kinda wrong.

seizer8 · 05-16-2013, 02:16 PM

Slower or not, the Z is a beautiful car, better looking by far than the 350z. Not to mention the WRX which is ugly. The Corvette, nice car, maybe next time.
Mustang and Camaro are on every corner.

The Z is rarer, and albeit not so much faster, but plenty fast enough.

Chteelers · 05-16-2013, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by seizer8

Slower or not, the Z is a beautiful car, better looking by far than the 350z. Not to mention the WRX which is ugly. The Corvette, nice car, maybe next time.
Mustang and Camaro are on every corner.

The Z is rarer, and albeit not so much faster, but plenty fast enough.

This is important. The 370Z lacks a killer-app, a chart-topping figure that gets people talking. Don't get me wrong, I love my Z because its 9/10s as good as the other sports cars in every category, but it doesn't beat them in any category either. No trump card. What are the big selling points for the other cars?

Mustang & Camaro: Highest horsepower.
FRS & Miata: Cost.
WRX & EVO: All wheel drive.
Boxster: Luxury, and handling.
Corvette: Value. Porsche performance that normal people can afford.

The Z is 2nd or 3rd place in each of those categories, so it represents (for us) the best overall package, but compromise doesn't shout loud in the press.

Chteelers · 05-16-2013, 02:37 PM

Solution? Offer two engines like the Mustang.

$26K 300 hp, 3.0L high revving inline-4, 26 mpg, 3000 lbs
$34K 425 hp, 3.7L turbo-V6, 18mpg, 3300 lbs

The first model would steal FRS buyers who want more power, and offer an alternative to the Mustang V6 buyers. The second model competes directly with the Mustang GT, and might steal a few Vette buyers.

Fountainhead · 05-16-2013, 02:39 PM

I live in a small community north of Orlando and at a red light the other day there were 6 mustangs within 1000 feet of me, and those were the ones I could SEE.
I'd rather have a Z, and that's that.

edub370 · 05-16-2013, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Fountainhead

I live in a small community north of Orlando and at a red light the other day there were 6 mustangs within 1000 feet of me, and those were the ones I could SEE.
I'd rather have a Z, and that's that.

don't you know the gtr is the only car worth buying tho...

Fountainhead · 05-16-2013, 02:48 PM

Well, going out on a limb here, I think the GTR isn't that, ahem, attractive. But I can appreciate it for it's raw power and coolness.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-16-2013, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by edub370

don't you know the gtr is the only car worth buying tho...

Wait, which is it? If the Gt-R is the only car worth buying??? Then how can a real enthusiast opt for Porsche?

I'm so confused. Will Porsche just give me a car if I buy a Gt-R??? Or do i buy a GT-R and steal a porsche?

edub370 · 05-16-2013, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Wait, which is it? If the Gt-R is the only car worth buying??? Then how can a real enthusiast opt for Porsche?

I'm so confused. Will Porsche just give me a car if I buy a Gt-R??? Or do i buy a GT-R and steal a porsche?

wait... i... u... the por...

ZMan8 · 05-16-2013, 02:52 PM

I think we should all just be happy with our cars and stop worrying about sales numbers. The 370Z was one of the best sports car in its price range when it was announced in 2008. It was better handler and faster than the Mustang, Camaro, Gen Coupe, etc. However, those cars have all had significant redesigns while Nissan did their mid cycle refresh (2013). It might not be best, slower than a mustang GT, and worse handling than FRS/BRZ. But it's still a good car.

And IMO it still looks fantastic and has aged really well, compared to the 350Z after 5/6 years.

05-16-2013, 02:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
Apoc370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 999 Drives: 2011 GM z34 Rep Power: 17	I like how this thread is more about statistics and facts instead of car bashings. But in the end, i think most Z owners know about the flaws the car have, the people that are not happy with it already moved on. There is no doubt that there are cars that are more of a bang for the buck compare to the Z, and i have driven a lot of other luxury sports cars in the past, and they made me appreciate the Z's "roughness" more. Luxury sports cars are too tamed for my personal taste, and i find the comfort aspect of it boring.. Lastly, muscle cars are never gonna be appealing to me, not that theres anything bad about them, they just dont offer what i want. Besides, most girls know nothing about car, th shape of the Z attracts more women! UNKNOWN_370 and Vaughanabe13 like this.

05-16-2013, 02:13 PM	#5 (permalink)
Tigger A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: NM Posts: 8,063 Drives: Awedeeeeee Rep Power: 604	Also a given is that the 370 is entering its sixth model year for 2014. And with a slight change in the fascia and maybe a tweaked suspension there really isn't any reason Nissan couldn't develop something else to be released for the 2014 model year. I've heard about the mini-Z. But I think it'll be a flop. The FRS is simply dominating the market and every time I see one I'm like, oooohhhh I want one! And then I realize they're simply the new Civic of the '90s and I once again realize that I drive a vehicle not many see everyday, if at all. And to add on to that, I've seen only four 370s since I bought mine that were actually on the road. This discounts car shows and the like but even there I was one of two. Nissan needs to seriously question their tactics and they need something new, smaller and lighter and something that will be a direct competitor of the FRS and also in that price category. It isn't exactly difficult to do. Toyota is doing it now and they are making money hand over fist. But again, at six years? I'm not sure I've ever heard of a manufacturer going six years on a particular model without a major change or re-fresh. LED DRLs are not a major re-fresh. Anyhow, if the Supra rumors are true and if it winds up being something really awesome and special I will buy one regardless of what Nissan attempts to do. They are simply proving themselves to be lazy. I don't like lazy. I like innovation. That is why I still respect and love the FRS even though I MAY never own one. My previous car lived in the +4k range just to get any enjoyment. Kind of sick of it. Montez likes this.

05-16-2013, 02:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
seizer8 Base Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Carol Stream IL Chicago Posts: 103 Drives: 2010 Z Touring AT Rep Power: 14	Slower or not, the Z is a beautiful car, better looking by far than the 350z. Not to mention the WRX which is ugly. The Corvette, nice car, maybe next time. Mustang and Camaro are on every corner. The Z is rarer, and albeit not so much faster, but plenty fast enough. Bucketlist2012 likes this. __________________ 2010 Platinum Graphite, Touring; Custom Coated Sport Brakes; Z1 Drilled and Slotted Rotors; SS Brake Lines; Hood Struts; Rear LED Fog Light; GT-R Wheels; LED Interior Lighting Sunday Cars and Coffee

05-16-2013, 02:39 PM	#10 (permalink)
Fountainhead Track Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: FL Posts: 834 Drives: 2019 Civic Type R Rep Power: 16	I live in a small community north of Orlando and at a red light the other day there were 6 mustangs within 1000 feet of me, and those were the ones I could SEE. I'd rather have a Z, and that's that. PaulZ370, Vaughanabe13 and Chteelers like this.

05-16-2013, 02:48 PM	#12 (permalink)
Fountainhead Track Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: FL Posts: 834 Drives: 2019 Civic Type R Rep Power: 16	Well, going out on a limb here, I think the GTR isn't that, ahem, attractive. But I can appreciate it for it's raw power and coolness. Vaughanabe13 likes this.

05-16-2013, 02:37 PM	#9 (permalink)
Chteelers Base Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Charlotte Posts: 63 Drives: '11 Nissan 370Z M6 Rep Power: 15	Solution? Offer two engines like the Mustang. $26K 300 hp, 3.0L high revving inline-4, 26 mpg, 3000 lbs $34K 425 hp, 3.7L turbo-V6, 18mpg, 3300 lbs The first model would steal FRS buyers who want more power, and offer an alternative to the Mustang V6 buyers. The second model competes directly with the Mustang GT, and might steal a few Vette buyers.

05-16-2013, 02:52 PM	#15 (permalink)
ZMan8 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 5,844 Drives: 10 370z 40th M6 Rep Power: 660	I think we should all just be happy with our cars and stop worrying about sales numbers. The 370Z was one of the best sports car in its price range when it was announced in 2008. It was better handler and faster than the Mustang, Camaro, Gen Coupe, etc. However, those cars have all had significant redesigns while Nissan did their mid cycle refresh (2013). It might not be best, slower than a mustang GT, and worse handling than FRS/BRZ. But it's still a good car. And IMO it still looks fantastic and has aged really well, compared to the 350Z after 5/6 years. UNKNOWN_370, b15, Vaughanabe13 and 2 others like this. __________________ 2010 370Z 40 Anniv., 6 MT \| Fast Intentions \| Swift Springs \| SPC \| Z1Motorsports \| JWM \| Redline Oils \| 35% Window Tint 2015 Mazda6 \| 370ZChicago: Chicago Area Cars & Coffee

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