Car and Driver's Cars Worth Waiting For: 2016 Z

VDC_OFF · 03-01-2013, 03:28 PM

I thought people would be more happy to hear the news about not downsizing the engine.

Montez · 03-01-2013, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedfreek

I was hoping for a boosted v6. When they say at least 350hp I hope they mean it can be closer to 400hp by the time 2016 drops.

Shouldn't it be the Q60 platform? The Q50 is the sedan.

Its the same platform just tweaked to fit all three iterations (Z, G/Q Coupe and Sedan).

m4a1mustang · 03-01-2013, 03:35 PM

I wish they weren't waiting for 2016 MY.

SS_Firehawk · 03-01-2013, 03:45 PM

LOL, this must be deja vu. I'm pretty sure just a month or two ago, there was a thread about what the Z might be. I'm pretty sure I said VQ with direct injection and same front midship platform. Estimates of 350hp are low to me, but this really isn't ground breaking. I even stated they didn't have a smaller platform to build on, a suitable smaller engine to turbo, and they would use aluminum to reduce weight. About the only thing I see here that may be news is the 2016 launch date. Hate to say it (not really) but I told you so.

ZBro16 · 03-01-2013, 04:00 PM

I had thought that Nissan was divorcing the Z from the G/Q (lol) platform-wise.

This rendering may prove to be very close to what we see. The side profile is right in line with the silhouette we saw in the Jay Leno video.

The front end in the rendering pulls from current concepts Nissan has debuted, and it's interested to see that this render is pulling from Nissan's design language they have implemented with the Pathfinder.

It's also interesting to see that it is somewhat similar to Mazda's design language in the new CX-5, 6, and the 3 rendering I've seen (the headlights blending into the grill with the body lines).

Like the use of the G IPL wheels for the render. However, I hope they're not at all used in any form.

I will wait patiently. After I offload mine, 18 months should be enough time for me to rebound and purchanse another fun car, and then I can decide on a 2014 Nismo or this little bad boy. Hopefully they do the powertrain right. I would really like to see 400HP, though for that car it may be overkill.

ZBro16 · 03-01-2013, 04:02 PM

I will also call it now - there will be both a 240Z and a 370Z.

Z_ealot · 03-01-2013, 04:04 PM

one thing people didnt take notice of is they mention it using a VQ engine, but dont say which one. i'm betting to solve the common noise issues with the 3.7 they are going to go back to the VQ35 and add direct injection to it to get to that 350HP mark and solve some of the engine noise issues that people seem to complain about alot.

ZBro16 · 03-01-2013, 04:06 PM

I don't see them reducing displacement, but I do see a revised valvetrain, which is the cause of many of the woes of the current engine (oil temps, high end coarseness).

m4a1mustang · 03-01-2013, 04:08 PM

I can tell you now that if it's ~350hp and based on the Q50 platform... it's going to be a disappointment. Certainly won't keep up with any of the other performance cars in its class with those specs. I'm hoping for more.

ZBro16 · 03-01-2013, 04:10 PM

IMHO, the Q50 is a fail and I don't even need to see it in person or drive it. I wanted so much more for that car. I only envision myself driving one if:
a) I'm above age 60 and still a Nissan enthusiast (becoming increasingly unlikely)
c) it's the last car I buy before I'm sent off to a retirement home.

Spikuh · 03-01-2013, 04:28 PM

Performance wise, Nissan basically has 2 options for the next Z:

1) Move it towards the BRZ (lighter chasis, respectable power to weight, more "tossable")
2) Move it towards the 5.0, ect. (about the same weight, lots more power probably through TT to make it more mod friendly from the factory)

What it CANNOT do is give us 370z 2.0.

Amuse370z · 03-01-2013, 05:03 PM

Let me have the newest Z for a couple of years longer...

Dwight Frye · 03-01-2013, 05:16 PM

It's hideous, looks like a fugly Accura. Forget the DI engine, still not proven to be trouble free technology. How about the 350 HP Nismo engine, pare about 300 lbs off, add some soundproofing so it's not so damn loud inside and offer all leather instead of cheezy alcatara and leather ? Doesn't need much else to remain a world class Sports & GT.

ATLsentra05 · 03-01-2013, 05:40 PM

Don't like it either.. I hate that they're getting rid of the VQ. They should be upgrading to a turbo VQ, not downgrading..

The design is eh.. Nothing really special

SS_Firehawk · 03-01-2013, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATLsentra05

Don't like it either.. I hate that they're getting rid of the VQ. They should be upgrading to a turbo VQ, not downgrading..

The design is eh.. Nothing really special

VQ is still there and it is being updated.

03-01-2013, 03:28 PM	#16 (permalink)
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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I wish they weren't waiting for 2016 MY. Spikuh likes this. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

03-01-2013, 03:45 PM	#19 (permalink)
SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7334	LOL, this must be deja vu. I'm pretty sure just a month or two ago, there was a thread about what the Z might be. I'm pretty sure I said VQ with direct injection and same front midship platform. Estimates of 350hp are low to me, but this really isn't ground breaking. I even stated they didn't have a smaller platform to build on, a suitable smaller engine to turbo, and they would use aluminum to reduce weight. About the only thing I see here that may be news is the 2016 launch date. Hate to say it (not really) but I told you so. red z likes this. __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction

03-01-2013, 04:08 PM	#24 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I can tell you now that if it's ~350hp and based on the Q50 platform... it's going to be a disappointment. Certainly won't keep up with any of the other performance cars in its class with those specs. I'm hoping for more. Spikuh, ZBro16 and lemon-fresh like this. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

03-01-2013, 04:10 PM	#25 (permalink)
ZBro16 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 370 Drives: A Z. Rep Power: 13	IMHO, the Q50 is a fail and I don't even need to see it in person or drive it. I wanted so much more for that car. I only envision myself driving one if: a) I'm above age 60 and still a Nissan enthusiast (becoming increasingly unlikely) c) it's the last car I buy before I'm sent off to a retirement home. m4a1mustang and tjlazer like this.

03-01-2013, 04:00 PM	#20 (permalink)
ZBro16 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 370 Drives: A Z. Rep Power: 13	I had thought that Nissan was divorcing the Z from the G/Q (lol) platform-wise. This rendering may prove to be very close to what we see. The side profile is right in line with the silhouette we saw in the Jay Leno video. The front end in the rendering pulls from current concepts Nissan has debuted, and it's interested to see that this render is pulling from Nissan's design language they have implemented with the Pathfinder. It's also interesting to see that it is somewhat similar to Mazda's design language in the new CX-5, 6, and the 3 rendering I've seen (the headlights blending into the grill with the body lines). Like the use of the G IPL wheels for the render. However, I hope they're not at all used in any form. I will wait patiently. After I offload mine, 18 months should be enough time for me to rebound and purchanse another fun car, and then I can decide on a 2014 Nismo or this little bad boy. Hopefully they do the powertrain right. I would really like to see 400HP, though for that car it may be overkill.

03-01-2013, 04:02 PM	#21 (permalink)
ZBro16 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 370 Drives: A Z. Rep Power: 13	I will also call it now - there will be both a 240Z and a 370Z.

03-01-2013, 04:04 PM	#22 (permalink)
Z_ealot A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 2,044 Drives: 09 370Z Touring/Sprt Rep Power: 10090	one thing people didnt take notice of is they mention it using a VQ engine, but dont say which one. i'm betting to solve the common noise issues with the 3.7 they are going to go back to the VQ35 and add direct injection to it to get to that 350HP mark and solve some of the engine noise issues that people seem to complain about alot.

03-01-2013, 04:06 PM	#23 (permalink)
ZBro16 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 370 Drives: A Z. Rep Power: 13	I don't see them reducing displacement, but I do see a revised valvetrain, which is the cause of many of the woes of the current engine (oil temps, high end coarseness).

03-01-2013, 05:03 PM	#27 (permalink)
Amuse370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,170 Drives: '13 PW Fairlady Z Rep Power: 16	Let me have the newest Z for a couple of years longer...

03-01-2013, 05:16 PM	#28 (permalink)
Dwight Frye Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Occupied California Posts: 423 Drives: '09 Tour/Sport/6MT Rep Power: 15	It's hideous, looks like a fugly Accura. Forget the DI engine, still not proven to be trouble free technology. How about the 350 HP Nismo engine, pare about 300 lbs off, add some soundproofing so it's not so damn loud inside and offer all leather instead of cheezy alcatara and leather ? Doesn't need much else to remain a world class Sports & GT.

03-01-2013, 05:40 PM	#29 (permalink)
ATLsentra05 Base Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 27 Drives: 05 Nissan Sentra Rep Power: 12	Don't like it either.. I hate that they're getting rid of the VQ. They should be upgrading to a turbo VQ, not downgrading.. The design is eh.. Nothing really special

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