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Originally Posted by Caustic Sorry man, but price is the problem. You are right of course, quality costs money, and that directly affects price. People, reviewers, critics all expect improvements

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Old 05-25-2013, 09:49 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Sorry man, but price is the problem. You are right of course, quality costs money, and that directly affects price. People, reviewers, critics all expect improvements on all fronts when a new car comes out. Nissan provided that, but it also priced them out of sweet spot of sales.

You can look throughout all of the Z history, and most other car lines for that matter, how price (and everything else that goes with it, including quality) affects purchasing. When the Z originally hit the American market, it was essentially today's Toyobaru with an inline six. Cheap car, small revvy engine, great handling. The reason the 300z ended with a hiatus was specifically because it became too expensive. It was more luxurious, it was absolutely more powerful, but it wasn't what the Z was originally about.

Consider this, the Toyobaru twins have a weak 4 banger engine, terrible interior, and few options. But they are flying out of the showrooms. You don't think that has anything to do with price?

That is why you see a lot of people saying the 370z should compete with the Toyobaru twins, because they epitomize what the 240z was. The reality is that time has passed, the Z is a different type of car now, but $42k for a fully optioned Z and $45k for a Nismo, are easily $5k more than they should be.

It doesn't make the Z a bad car, just an expensive one.
Remember that the price they sell it for directly results in the value of the yen. The yen was getting stronger against the dollar for the past few years. It wasn't until recently that it started dropping again. Building a car for X amount of yen, then selling it for X amount of dollars, they need to have a profit margin. Sure there is a few thousand in every vehicle, but it is not out of line with the profit margin of a car that is similarly equipped. Now if they are able to build the Z here in the states, they can reduce the cost for manufacture, but they still need to sell enough to justify that investment. Look at what Subaru and Mitsubishi gives for their sports cars. A turbo 4 banger, AWD and not much else, but it costs the same. Nissan isn't alone in this price conspiracy.
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