SO any updates on the oil overheating problem?

armensti · 07-10-2009, 02:16 AM

ive been so busy with work i havent had the time to search the forum for updates. Has nissan done anything about this? what are our options as of now? and are those options covered by the warranty.

370Z Purist · 07-10-2009, 03:16 AM

It seems more or less that Nissan has gotten an oil cooler made, but it isn't covered under warranty. Other than that, they're just selling it as a performance accessory. Stillen and Central 20 (also Setrab I suppose) have been selling as usual.

280z/300zx · 07-10-2009, 12:09 PM

Also it seems, at least from what I've been reading, that the more miles put on the motor (more broken in) that the less it heats up the oil.

Mergnthwirker · 07-10-2009, 12:53 PM

Mostly this has all been a mountain made out a molehill IMHO

I don't expect Nissan to do anything. Best case scenario: they offer an aftermarket kit that can be installed by the dealer and not affect the warranty. Worst case scenario, they do nothing, but deny warranty claims if you install an oil cooler yourself.

Yes the engine runs hot. Some people have been able to invoke the limp mode by getting it REALLY hot. But this seems to be pretty hard to do for most of us. If you regularly get it very hot, install an oil cooler kit. Having your Nissan dealer install the kit may protect your warranty, especially if you can coerce your local dealer into a guarantee in writing.

Hot engines will reduce oil life. If you don't put in an oil cooler, then change your oil more frequently and/or get your oil tested to determine the effects on your specific engine wear, and to see what oil change intervals you should use based on how much life is left in your used oil.

Deal with it people & stop whining, please!

Is it a design flaw? Perhaps, but you'll never get Nissan to admit it. Should a sports car meant to be driven hard not overheat its oil? Yea, probably. But you can take responsibility for the way you drive it, add a kit yourself, and stop whining about it.

I'm taking my own advice.
1. Using the Nissan ester oil (not b/c of the ester, but b/c of the patented DLC additives)
2. Using a K&N or Mobil1 oil filter, adding a little capacity and better filtering
3. Changing the oil more frequently, until I can get a baseline on the oil degradation from an independent lab.
4. When I start tracking the car, I will install an oil cooler (and maybe a differential cooler as well)

And I promise never again to post to a thread about oil temperature

Modshack · 07-10-2009, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mergnthwirker

And I promise never again to post to a thread about oil temperature

If we could only get everyone else to agree on this as well...

Lug · 07-10-2009, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mergnthwirker

Mostly this has all been a mountain made out a molehill IMHO

I promise never again to post to a thread about oil temperature

Quote:

Originally Posted by Modshack

If we could only get everyone else to agree on this as well...

post bump

FricFrac · 07-10-2009, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mergnthwirker

Mostly this has all been a mountain made out a molehill IMHO

I don't expect Nissan to do anything. Best case scenario: they offer an aftermarket kit that can be installed by the dealer and not affect the warranty. Worst case scenario, they do nothing, but deny warranty claims if you install an oil cooler yourself.

Yes the engine runs hot. Some people have been able to invoke the limp mode by getting it REALLY hot. But this seems to be pretty hard to do for most of us. If you regularly get it very hot, install an oil cooler kit. Having your Nissan dealer install the kit may protect your warranty, especially if you can coerce your local dealer into a guarantee in writing.

Hot engines will reduce oil life. If you don't put in an oil cooler, then change your oil more frequently and/or get your oil tested to determine the effects on your specific engine wear, and to see what oil change intervals you should use based on how much life is left in your used oil.

Deal with it people & stop whining, please!

Is it a design flaw? Perhaps, but you'll never get Nissan to admit it. Should a sports car meant to be driven hard not overheat its oil? Yea, probably. But you can take responsibility for the way you drive it, add a kit yourself, and stop whining about it.

I'm taking my own advice.
1. Using the Nissan ester oil (not b/c of the ester, but b/c of the patented DLC additives)
2. Using a K&N or Mobil1 oil filter, adding a little capacity and better filtering
3. Changing the oil more frequently, until I can get a baseline on the oil degradation from an independent lab.
4. When I start tracking the car, I will install an oil cooler (and maybe a differential cooler as well)

And I promise never again to post to a thread about oil temperature

Most people couldn't give a rip about the oil temp because it doesn't affect them. The issue is Nissan not giving an answer wether an oil cooler will affect the warranty or not. The few people that may have an issue typically aren't adverse to adding an oil cooler other than how it will affect their warranty.

Stop whining - have you visitied the internet yet? I thought that was the purpose for the text based portion.... :P

need4speed · 07-10-2009, 07:49 PM

Horraaaay. All issues now null and void. Nissan now has an optional oil cooler
From the dealer at $780. And it is covered under warranty. It was written in car and driver and someone here has the part number for the dealer if he is not aware yet of the new option install.

need4speed · 07-10-2009, 07:49 PM

Horraaaay. All issues now null and void. Nissan now has an optional oil cooler
From the dealer at $780. And it is covered under warranty. It was written in car and driver and someone here has the part number for the dealer if he is not aware yet of the new option install.

tbonesteak · 07-11-2009, 09:31 AM

u serious?

spearfish25 · 07-11-2009, 09:41 AM

How about this...

No one post anything about oil temps or coolers until you have a Nissan warranty-covered oil cooler installed by the dealer in your car. Then post a big thread headline so everyone knows and this issue will finally RIP.

gatorfast · 07-11-2009, 10:25 AM

Most people on here install an aftermarket intake, exhaust, suspension, etc. that are not covered under warranty...why are people so concerned about the warranty coverage of an oil cooler?

wstar · 07-11-2009, 10:30 AM

The issue people are concerned about is that they might have some minor unrelated engine problem down the line, say a VVEL problem or a sealing problem, and Nissan will take one look at the car and say "You have an aftermarket oil cooler attached to the engine, therefore we're denying any warranty claim on engine repairs", on the basis that the aftermarket oil cooler could have had some malfunction that led to poor oiling which led to the failure. They would be ******** to do so, as it's easy to verify that the oil cooler is working properly, and a properly working oil cooler helps protect the engine. But after the GT-R mess nobody trusts them not to be ******** on warranty issues.

Edit: I'll pre-empt the standard replies:

Yes, the Magnusson-Moss Act is on your side here, in that legally they do have to prove that the oil cooler caused the problem. However, time and legal fees are on their side. They can still say "you're screwed", and then you have to pony up for a legal battle with them, which might cost more than the repair and take forever to resolve.

BlackBullet · 07-12-2009, 03:33 AM

If I recalled correctly, it's $780 parts + $480 (give or take a few) for labor.

armensti · 07-12-2009, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by need4speed

Horraaaay. All issues now null and void. Nissan now has an optional oil cooler
From the dealer at $780. And it is covered under warranty. It was written in car and driver and someone here has the part number for the dealer if he is not aware yet of the new option install.

so they do have an oil cooler covered by warranty?

07-10-2009, 02:16 AM	#1 (permalink)
armensti Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: CA Posts: 447 Drives: 370Z/Tring/Spt/6MT Rep Power: 16	SO any updates on the oil overheating problem? ive been so busy with work i havent had the time to search the forum for updates. Has nissan done anything about this? what are our options as of now? and are those options covered by the warranty.

07-10-2009, 03:16 AM	#2 (permalink)
370Z Purist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Zion, Illinois Posts: 1,873 Drives: '09 370Z-T BS M6 Rep Power: 18	It seems more or less that Nissan has gotten an oil cooler made, but it isn't covered under warranty. Other than that, they're just selling it as a performance accessory. Stillen and Central 20 (also Setrab I suppose) have been selling as usual. __________________ -Phil "Since one of my brake light bulbs just went out, the forum told me that my piston rings are about to blow."

07-11-2009, 10:30 AM	#13 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3594	The issue people are concerned about is that they might have some minor unrelated engine problem down the line, say a VVEL problem or a sealing problem, and Nissan will take one look at the car and say "You have an aftermarket oil cooler attached to the engine, therefore we're denying any warranty claim on engine repairs", on the basis that the aftermarket oil cooler could have had some malfunction that led to poor oiling which led to the failure. They would be ****** to do so, as it's easy to verify that the oil cooler is working properly, and a properly working oil cooler helps protect the engine. But after the GT-R mess nobody trusts them not to be ****** on warranty issues. Edit: I'll pre-empt the standard replies: Yes, the Magnusson-Moss Act is on your side here, in that legally they do have to prove that the oil cooler caused the problem. However, time and legal fees are on their side. They can still say "you're screwed", and then you have to pony up for a legal battle with them, which might cost more than the repair and take forever to resolve. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

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07-10-2009, 12:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
280z/300zx Track Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Nevada Posts: 689 Drives: 280z, 300zx, Vette Rep Power: 272	Also it seems, at least from what I've been reading, that the more miles put on the motor (more broken in) that the less it heats up the oil.

07-10-2009, 12:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
Mergnthwirker Base Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Connecticut USA Posts: 243 Drives: '09 370Z PW MT6 S Rep Power: 15	Mostly this has all been a mountain made out a molehill IMHO I don't expect Nissan to do anything. Best case scenario: they offer an aftermarket kit that can be installed by the dealer and not affect the warranty. Worst case scenario, they do nothing, but deny warranty claims if you install an oil cooler yourself. Yes the engine runs hot. Some people have been able to invoke the limp mode by getting it REALLY hot. But this seems to be pretty hard to do for most of us. If you regularly get it very hot, install an oil cooler kit. Having your Nissan dealer install the kit may protect your warranty, especially if you can coerce your local dealer into a guarantee in writing. Hot engines will reduce oil life. If you don't put in an oil cooler, then change your oil more frequently and/or get your oil tested to determine the effects on your specific engine wear, and to see what oil change intervals you should use based on how much life is left in your used oil. Deal with it people & stop whining, please! Is it a design flaw? Perhaps, but you'll never get Nissan to admit it. Should a sports car meant to be driven hard not overheat its oil? Yea, probably. But you can take responsibility for the way you drive it, add a kit yourself, and stop whining about it. I'm taking my own advice. 1. Using the Nissan ester oil (not b/c of the ester, but b/c of the patented DLC additives) 2. Using a K&N or Mobil1 oil filter, adding a little capacity and better filtering 3. Changing the oil more frequently, until I can get a baseline on the oil degradation from an independent lab. 4. When I start tracking the car, I will install an oil cooler (and maybe a differential cooler as well) And I promise never again to post to a thread about oil temperature

07-10-2009, 07:49 PM	#8 (permalink)
need4speed Base Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: tx Posts: 199 Drives: 08 altima 3.5se Rep Power: 15	Horraaaay. All issues now null and void. Nissan now has an optional oil cooler From the dealer at $780. And it is covered under warranty. It was written in car and driver and someone here has the part number for the dealer if he is not aware yet of the new option install.

07-10-2009, 07:49 PM	#9 (permalink)
need4speed Base Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: tx Posts: 199 Drives: 08 altima 3.5se Rep Power: 15	Horraaaay. All issues now null and void. Nissan now has an optional oil cooler From the dealer at $780. And it is covered under warranty. It was written in car and driver and someone here has the part number for the dealer if he is not aware yet of the new option install.

07-11-2009, 09:31 AM	#10 (permalink)
tbonesteak Track Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Socal Posts: 914 Drives: MY09 MB 6MT Rep Power: 375	u serious?

07-11-2009, 09:41 AM	#11 (permalink)
spearfish25 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 4,117 Drives: to work Rep Power: 1856	How about this... No one post anything about oil temps or coolers until you have a Nissan warranty-covered oil cooler installed by the dealer in your car. Then post a big thread headline so everyone knows and this issue will finally RIP.

07-11-2009, 10:25 AM	#12 (permalink)
gatorfast Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: SoFla Posts: 120 Drives: Z4 M Coupe Rep Power: 289	Most people on here install an aftermarket intake, exhaust, suspension, etc. that are not covered under warranty...why are people so concerned about the warranty coverage of an oil cooler?

07-12-2009, 03:33 AM	#14 (permalink)
BlackBullet Base Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: US Posts: 48 Drives: 03 Best Car Ever Rep Power: 0	If I recalled correctly, it's $780 parts + $480 (give or take a few) for labor.