The next gen Z!

DJ-of-E · 12-13-2012, 02:55 PM

Honestly, 300HP at the wheels is more than enough for the current chasis for the Z. Anymore and we'll be in overkill territory for all around stock package for around $30k range. I mean, it would be nice to be labeled "Corvette Killer" again like the 90s, but decrease weight would be more beneficial than increase power right now.

6spd · 12-13-2012, 02:59 PM

I would be fine with no power increase...

As long as they correct the: piss poor throttle mapping, lack of a "real" oil cooler, and the annoying over-compensating traction control system.

b1adesofcha0s · 12-13-2012, 07:55 PM

You're forgetting that the 5.0 Mustang handles well enough compared to the Z and comes with 100 HP more with a V8 at around the same price point.

The next gen 5.0 is supposed to be 250 lb lighter, have IRS, and even more power. That is what the new Z may be competing with. Minor improvements will only put it further behind if the new 5.0 really gets all of those things.

Chteelers · 12-14-2012, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

You're forgetting that the 5.0 Mustang handles well enough compared to the Z and comes with 100 HP more with a V8 at around the same price point.

The next gen 5.0 is supposed to be 250 lb lighter, have IRS, and even more power. That is what the new Z may be competing with. Minor improvements will only put it further behind if the new 5.0 really gets all of those things.

Have you driven the new Coyote GT? Without argument it's faster in a straight line, and I'd wager it is equivalent, if not faster, around a course like VIR.

But all of that means nothing once you drive a Z back to back with a GT. They feel completely different. The GT drives like a musclecar - big engine, softer chassis, high seating position, big and burly. The Z drives like a go-kart - tight, precise, low-slung, lots of feedback. The difference is the feel, not just the numbers, and its specific to each car. Res ipsa loquitur.

b1adesofcha0s · 12-14-2012, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Chteelers

Have you driven the new Coyote GT? Without argument it's faster in a straight line, and I'd wager it is equivalent, if not faster, around a course like VIR.

But all of that means nothing once you drive a Z back to back with a GT. They feel completely different. The GT drives like a musclecar - big engine, softer chassis, high seating position, big and burly. The Z drives like a go-kart - tight, precise, steering feedback. The difference is the feel, not just the numbers, and its specific to each car. Res ipsa loquitur.

I've ridden in my friend's and he was coming from a 370Z. He said handling was comparable, which it seemed to be. I did test drive one, but I scared the salesman pulling out of the driveway so that only lasted like 2 mins. It definitely does feel different because of the size, but I think it can still handle the turns nearly as well. It is faster around a road course and is comparable to an E92 M3 in that case. It won't feel the same, but it will best the lap times of the Z.

tvfreakazoid · 12-14-2012, 07:56 AM

Here's a link that talks about down sizing the engine.
I know it's just one link but i've read a couple of others and it still talks about down sizing the engine to 4cyn turbo.

I'm surprised nissan hasn't used DI for the 370Z yet. Other than having minor exterior changes over the yrs and price creeping up and haven't been able to have the same success as the 350z (probably due to the economy), it seems they will down size and make it cheaper.

2015 Nissan Z May Be Lighter, Leaner

SS_Firehawk · 12-14-2012, 08:08 AM

The author used the word "probable" for reduced engine size and type, but that was not what Shiro Nakamura stated. Paragraph below:

And that won't be achieved by making it bigger. "It cannot be any larger," he says. "It's at its maximum size now and should go leaner." By that he means lighter too, with the new model to feature a down-sized engine, probably a four-cylinder turbo rather than today's 3.7-liter V6. "It needs to be lighter, and more accessible to open the door to more people," he adds.

So I ask, why wasn't Shiro Nakamura quoted saying the most controversial statement in the entire article? This is hearsay from an author spinning words. I'll wait till I see the new G arrive, that will give us the best idea for what direction they want to go.

For all the guys wishing for turbo's, they had the 2.5L in the G they discontinued that might make a viable candidate, would take some reworking as it's just a mini VQ37VHR.

theDreamer · 12-14-2012, 08:16 AM

Here is my input:
-You have multiple people saying different things from inside Nissan and outside, who claim to have sources. In the end we will probably see two cars come out of this by the looks of it, a lightweight 4 banger RWD to compete with the FRS (think Silvia) and a lighter car than the current Z with a smaller 6 cylinder new motor to help stay competitive. The other possibility was an old rumor that the head Nissan said, they want to look at being the first to market with an all electric sports car for the masses. In the interview he even drop the Z as being a possibility but he would not want to ruin that history.

b1adesofcha0s · 12-14-2012, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Here is my input:
-You have multiple people saying different things from inside Nissan and outside, who claim to have sources. In the end we will probably see two cars come out of this by the looks of it, a lightweight 4 banger RWD to compete with the FRS (think Silvia) and a lighter car than the current Z with a smaller 6 cylinder new motor to help stay competitive. The other possibility was an old rumor that the head Nissan said, they want to look at being the first to market with an all electric sports car for the masses. In the interview he even drop the Z as being a possibility but he would not want to ruin that history.

I think we'll see a new electric Z, but probably not this soon. Though I did just read something on MT about Nissan opening up a lithium ion battery plant in the US....

theDreamer · 12-14-2012, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

I think we'll see a new electric Z, but probably not this soon. Though I did just read something on MT about Nissan opening up a lithium ion battery plant in the US....

You talking about the Leaf facility where they are going to build that car and such?
I don't think it is to soon for an all electric sports car, especially when you look at the Leaf and it weights in under 3,500lbs and goes 100 miles on a charge. The Z is and always will be a luxury item so if they can push new battery tech which gives us 150-200 then that would be perfect. Plus the Z is a 2 seater so the backseat of the leaf could be replaced with more batteries for a boost of speed/miles.

b1adesofcha0s · 12-14-2012, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

You talking about the Leaf facility where they are going to build that car and such?
I don't think it is to soon for an all electric sports car, especially when you look at the Leaf and it weights in under 3,500lbs and goes 100 miles on a charge. The Z is and always will be a luxury item so if they can push new battery tech which gives us 150-200 then that would be perfect. Plus the Z is a 2 seater so the backseat of the leaf could be replaced with more batteries for a boost of speed/miles.

Yeah that's the one. I guess it depends on when/if Nissan started working on it.

red6spd · 12-14-2012, 10:05 AM

Everyone has apparently ignored my comment. There is no way Nissan will put anything other then a 6 cylinder in the Z. The Z has and always will have a 6 just like a Vette with its V8's and RX-7's 8's with its Rotary. Its one of the thing that makes a Z a Z.

theDreamer · 12-14-2012, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

Everyone has apparently ignored my comment. There is no way Nissan will put anything other then a 6 cylinder in the Z. The Z has and always will have a 6 just like a Vette with its V8's and RX-7's 8's with its Rotary. Its one of the thing that makes a Z a Z.

Actually, the original Vette started with a I6 and the V8 was an option. Though they quickly adopted the V8 as the standard soon afterwards.

Red__Zed · 12-14-2012, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

Everyone has apparently ignored my comment. There is no way Nissan will put anything other then a 6 cylinder in the Z. The Z has and always will have a 6 just like a Vette with its V8's and RX-7's 8's with its Rotary. Its one of the thing that makes a Z a Z.

I agree. There's no way Nissan will ever switch from an inline to a vee.

red6spd · 12-15-2012, 05:58 PM

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I agree. There's no way Nissan will ever switch from an inline to a vee.

I was not talking about engine configuration.

12-13-2012, 02:55 PM	#1 (permalink)
DJ-of-E Track Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Garden Grove, CA Posts: 676 Drives: 00 Toyota Celica 040 Rep Power: 16	Honestly, 300HP at the wheels is more than enough for the current chasis for the Z. Anymore and we'll be in overkill territory for all around stock package for around $30k range. I mean, it would be nice to be labeled "Corvette Killer" again like the 90s, but decrease weight would be more beneficial than increase power right now. cavemancan likes this. __________________

12-13-2012, 02:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 3,001 Drives: Q50RS Rep Power: 26	I would be fine with no power increase... As long as they correct the: piss poor throttle mapping, lack of a "real" oil cooler, and the annoying over-compensating traction control system. Chteelers and cavemancan like this. __________________ -Jay- jonathanjamesphotographer.com

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b1adesofcha0s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: MD Posts: 40,963 Drives: HypeTrain Choo Choo! Rep Power: 142	You're forgetting that the 5.0 Mustang handles well enough compared to the Z and comes with 100 HP more with a V8 at around the same price point. The next gen 5.0 is supposed to be 250 lb lighter, have IRS, and even more power. That is what the new Z may be competing with. Minor improvements will only put it further behind if the new 5.0 really gets all of those things. __________________ Project: b1adeZmobile (2009 370Z) \| Uprev Tune by AAM Competition \| Berk Exhaust Project: b1adeZmobile 2.0 (2014 C7 Z51) \| Corsa Xtreme Exhaust

12-14-2012, 07:56 AM	#6 (permalink)
tvfreakazoid A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: kommie kali Posts: 1,238 Drives: 2015 Audi S5; 6spd. Rep Power: 10325	Here's a link that talks about down sizing the engine. I know it's just one link but i've read a couple of others and it still talks about down sizing the engine to 4cyn turbo. I'm surprised nissan hasn't used DI for the 370Z yet. Other than having minor exterior changes over the yrs and price creeping up and haven't been able to have the same success as the 350z (probably due to the economy), it seems they will down size and make it cheaper. 2015 Nissan Z May Be Lighter, Leaner __________________ Mudders milk

12-14-2012, 08:08 AM	#7 (permalink)
SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7335	The author used the word "probable" for reduced engine size and type, but that was not what Shiro Nakamura stated. Paragraph below: And that won't be achieved by making it bigger. "It cannot be any larger," he says. "It's at its maximum size now and should go leaner." By that he means lighter too, with the new model to feature a down-sized engine, probably a four-cylinder turbo rather than today's 3.7-liter V6. "It needs to be lighter, and more accessible to open the door to more people," he adds. So I ask, why wasn't Shiro Nakamura quoted saying the most controversial statement in the entire article? This is hearsay from an author spinning words. I'll wait till I see the new G arrive, that will give us the best idea for what direction they want to go. For all the guys wishing for turbo's, they had the 2.5L in the G they discontinued that might make a viable candidate, would take some reworking as it's just a mini VQ37VHR. __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction

12-14-2012, 08:16 AM	#8 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4211	Here is my input: -You have multiple people saying different things from inside Nissan and outside, who claim to have sources. In the end we will probably see two cars come out of this by the looks of it, a lightweight 4 banger RWD to compete with the FRS (think Silvia) and a lighter car than the current Z with a smaller 6 cylinder new motor to help stay competitive. The other possibility was an old rumor that the head Nissan said, they want to look at being the first to market with an all electric sports car for the masses. In the interview he even drop the Z as being a possibility but he would not want to ruin that history. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

12-14-2012, 10:05 AM	#12 (permalink)
red6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 3,277 Drives: 2010 Z Coupe M6 SPT Rep Power: 22	Everyone has apparently ignored my comment. There is no way Nissan will put anything other then a 6 cylinder in the Z. The Z has and always will have a 6 just like a Vette with its V8's and RX-7's 8's with its Rotary. Its one of the thing that makes a Z a Z. __________________ 2010 Base+Sport 6spd: Stillen G3, FI Non-Resonated CBE, FI Non-Resonated Test Pipes, UpRev Tuned, Custom 24R Oil Cooler, JDM Rear Fog-OEM Harness. ???Whp ???WTQ (Will find out come spring time)