Why can't very capeable people do what Ford can ....

ZMan8 · 07-27-2012, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

I'm planning on test driving a 5.0 tomorrow. Not going to buy it because I don't want to waste money buying a new car, just want to see how it drives.

I don't see what your problem is with Nissan making the Z "mustang fast" as you like to call it. Why shouldn't Nissan strive to outperform the V8 versions of other cars? Porsche does it with the 911. Even the GT-R does it with its TT V6. The V8's Nissan would be aiming for aren't quite the same as those of the 911 and GT-R, but the idea is the same. A TT V6 can be made to outperform a V8.

I never said the Z needed to outpower the 5.0 by becoming a V8 muscle car. They can up the HP and decrease weight to make the car faster overall, not just in a straight line. I was never talking about straight line speed, I'm talking about on a road course. The Z should have better handling than the mustang and should be able to put in better lap times.

what he is referring to is the Nissan/Renault should not be wasting time to just out-do Ford. They have established their own culture and heritage and should build that. Additionally, nissan admitted to wanting to compete with the porsches. In fact though the GTR is completely different car than 911, when it first came out Nissans goal was to have it be better, faster than the 911. when the 370Z came out, they wanted it to be a Porsche Cayman S for half the price, which is basically is.

b1adesofcha0s · 07-27-2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ZMan8

what he is referring to is the Nissan/Renault should not be wasting time to just out-do Ford. They have established their own culture and heritage and should build that. Additionally, nissan admitted to wanting to compete with the porsches. In fact though the GTR is completely different car than 911, when it first came out Nissans goal was to have it be better, faster than the 911. when the 370Z came out, they wanted it to be a Porsche Cayman S for half the price, which is basically is.

Yes I understand that. I know that the Mustang and Camaro are preparing pretty substantial upgrades for their next generations and the Z needs to do the same. You can say that they're different cars all you want, but in the real world they are cross shopped all the time and selling cars is a business. If the Z gets left far behind in performance, it will become irrelevant to a lot of consumers. You have to keep in mind that the majority of people who buy these cars are not Z enthusiasts like you and I. A good bunch of them are probably not even car enthusiasts, but just bought it because it looked cool. If the Z becomes irrelevant to the majority of consumers and doesn't sell then Nissan will stop making it.

Dwight Frye · 07-27-2012, 04:46 PM

You guys need to keep in mind that Nissan builds the 370Z to be a daily driver and not a race car. Seriously. Maybe only 5% sold ever make it onto a track. It's a business decision for them to build it they way they do with certain compromises. And you don't see 500,000 of them being recalled like Ford Focuses for sticking accelerators or other problems so you should be glad that Nissan is not like Ford.
What they should do is bump the low end torque a little, bump the horsepower up to about 375, address the interior NOISE issue and redesign the dash to add an analog clock where the digital clock is and an analog fuel and temp gauge, and an ALL LEATHER interior instead of the stupid mouse fur inserts.This is all easily possible and at moderate cost.
You aren't going to see a 3000 lb sports car again with today's safety requirements and all of the luxury stuff like power windows and seats either.

ZMan8 · 07-27-2012, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Frye

You guys need to keep in mind that Nissan builds the 370Z to be a daily driver and not a race car. Seriously. Maybe only 5% sold ever make it onto a track. It's a business decision for them to build it they way they do with certain compromises. And you don't see 500,000 of them being recalled like Ford Focuses for sticking accelerators or other problems so you should be glad that Nissan is not like Ford.
What they should do is bump the low end torque a little, bump the horsepower up to about 375, address the interior NOISE issue and redesign the dash to add an analog clock where the digital clock is and an analog fuel and temp gauge, and an ALL LEATHER interior instead of the stupid mouse fur inserts.This is all easily possible and at moderate cost.
You aren't going to see a 3000 lb sports car again with today's safety requirements and all of the luxury stuff like power windows and seats either.

the reason the seats are not all leather is so that you don't slide around the seats when making hard turns...the GTR has the same thing. It keeps your butt planted.

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-27-2012, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ZMan8

what he is referring to is the Nissan/Renault should not be wasting time to just out-do Ford. They have established their own culture and heritage and should build that. Additionally, nissan admitted to wanting to compete with the porsches. In fact though the GTR is completely different car than 911, when it first came out Nissans goal was to have it be better, faster than the 911. when the 370Z came out, they wanted it to be a Porsche Cayman S for half the price, which is basically is.

THANKS!!! I was almost starting to think i was writing in greek. lol

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Dwight Frye Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Occupied California Posts: 423 Drives: '09 Tour/Sport/6MT Rep Power: 17	You guys need to keep in mind that Nissan builds the 370Z to be a daily driver and not a race car. Seriously. Maybe only 5% sold ever make it onto a track. It's a business decision for them to build it they way they do with certain compromises. And you don't see 500,000 of them being recalled like Ford Focuses for sticking accelerators or other problems so you should be glad that Nissan is not like Ford. What they should do is bump the low end torque a little, bump the horsepower up to about 375, address the interior NOISE issue and redesign the dash to add an analog clock where the digital clock is and an analog fuel and temp gauge, and an ALL LEATHER interior instead of the stupid mouse fur inserts.This is all easily possible and at moderate cost. You aren't going to see a 3000 lb sports car again with today's safety requirements and all of the luxury stuff like power windows and seats either.