Why can't very capeable people do what Ford can ....

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-27-2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Exactly! Back in 2009-2010 the Z was better and faster than the Mustang V8 and it was winning all of the comparisons with similarly priced cars. This is no longer the case.

Also the GT-R didn't start at $100k. When it came out in 2009 it was sold at $70k MSRP. The reason it shot up is because it outperformed all those cars that were way above it. They made performance improvements every year so it stayed competitive and the price rose with them every year. Even though it's price kept going up, the GT-R still can't be beat performance wise at it's price point and that is why it is still doing well. This is not the case for the Z. It can and is beat at its own game for the same cost if not even a tiny bit cheaper. The GT-R is Nissan's halo car and their most expensive one so it doesn't have a price ceiling. The Z may go up in price, but they do have to somewhat keep it in check based on their competition.

But you do realize that if the quarter mile was stretched further the Z would lose torque and fall back to the 08 stang. And you also realize that both cars with full bolt ons the Z was the loser. The Z true victory was on the complex track over the 08 stang. though it could beat the 08 stang stock. other factors under modification took it away.
the z being faster than the stang was coincidence. nissan was tryimng to make it rival a cayman, not beat a stang.... hmmmm????

the 08 stang though was just a horrible car. everything was beating it. pontiac had em destroyed with the gto.

ZMan8 · 07-27-2012, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

But you do realize that if the quarter mile was stretched further the Z would lose torque and fall back to the 08 stang. And you also realize that both cars with full bolt ons the Z was the loser. The Z true victory was on the complex track over the 08 stang. though it could beat the 08 stang stock. other factors under modification took it away.
the z being faster than the stang was coincidence. nissan was tryimng to make it rival a cayman, not beat a stang.... hmmmm????

I'm not sure why everyone has this need to compare to a stang. I love the 5.0 GT and really like what ford has done.
However, these comparisons must stop. Do we compare the Mustang GT to Genesis 5.0 R-Spec (only comes in sedan form)?? because in essence that's what it's like comparing the 370 to the mustang.

370Z = V-6, 2 seater, sports car with short wheel base and wide track. Underlying focus on cornerning and agility, not speed. Especially once you take into consideration the short gearing.

Mustang GT = V-8, high displacement, Sporty Coupe, long wheel base, Stronger focus on straight line speed, but does well in the corners as well.

they are different cars, just like the wrx/evo are different cars than the Z. I have said this before and will say it again. If we look at similar cars (2 seats, rwd, around 3000-3400 lbs on average) you get Cayman S, bmw Z4, Audi TT. Why should Nissan look to beat the Stang? They want to make a Japanese version of a Porsche Cayman S or R.

kenchan · 07-27-2012, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ZMan8

I'm not sure why everyone has this need to compare to a stang. I love the 5.0 GT and really like what ford has done.
However, these comparisons must stop. Do we compare the Mustang GT to Genesis 5.0 R-Spec (only comes in sedan form)?? because in essence that's what it's like comparing the 370 to the mustang.

370Z = V-6, 2 seater, sports car with short wheel base and wide track. Underlying focus on cornerning and agility, not speed. Especially once you take into consideration the short gearing.

Mustang GT = V-8, high displacement, Sporty Coupe, long wheel base, Stronger focus on straight line speed, but does well in the corners as well.

they are different cars, just like the wrx/evo are different cars than the Z. I have said this before and will say it again. If we look at similar cars (2 seats, rwd, around 3000-3400 lbs on average) you get Cayman S, bmw Z4, Audi TT. Why should Nissan look to beat the Stang? They want to make a Japanese version of a Porsche Cayman S or R.

well said, mr.zman.

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UNKNOWN_370 · 07-27-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ZMan8

I'm not sure why everyone has this need to compare to a stang. I love the 5.0 GT and really like what ford has done.
However, these comparisons must stop. Do we compare the Mustang GT to Genesis 5.0 R-Spec (only comes in sedan form)?? because in essence that's what it's like comparing the 370 to the mustang.

370Z = V-6, 2 seater, sports car with short wheel base and wide track. Underlying focus on cornerning and agility, not speed. Especially once you take into consideration the short gearing.

Mustang GT = V-8, high displacement, Sporty Coupe, long wheel base, Stronger focus on straight line speed, but does well in the corners as well.

they are different cars, just like the wrx/evo are different cars than the Z. I have said this before and will say it again. If we look at similar cars (2 seats, rwd, around 3000-3400 lbs on average) you get Cayman S, bmw Z4, Audi TT. Why should Nissan look to beat the Stang? They want to make a Japanese version of a Porsche Cayman S or R.

repped... thats basically what i beren saying but more cut and dry.

ZMan8 · 07-27-2012, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

well said, mr.zman.

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

repped... thats basically what i beren saying but more cut and dry.

wolf370z · 07-27-2012, 04:09 PM

A lot of great points made in this thread! I'm enjoying the civil discussion.

I was actually close to being "that Z guy" who was going to trade in on a 5.0 Mustang GT because of the performance reasons. After the test drive though, it was pretty obvious which I liked more

Can't give up that feeling.

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-27-2012, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf370z

A lot of great points made in this thread! I'm enjoying the civil discussion.

I was actually close to being "that Z guy" who was going to trade in on a 5.0 Mustang GT because of the performance reasons. After the test drive though, it was pretty obvious which I liked more

Can't give up that feeling.

The Z is awesome as is... Whatever changes happen? As long as performance and handling are improved and not damaged for the sake of being mustang fast? i'm good. Maybe nissan needs to think of upping the ante on the Nismo model? 18hp boost isn't enough. I think 40-60hp would have made many people happy. I know i would've gotten a Nismo if that were so?

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wolf370z Base Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: United States Posts: 230 Drives: 09 370z red m6 Rep Power: 17	A lot of great points made in this thread! I'm enjoying the civil discussion. I was actually close to being "that Z guy" who was going to trade in on a 5.0 Mustang GT because of the performance reasons. After the test drive though, it was pretty obvious which I liked more Can't give up that feeling. __________________ Good drivers just drive.

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