Former Z Owner's Rant about the 370z

SiXK · 04-17-2012, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I respect the opinions here BUT...

My thing is this... when you buy a Z, you know you are buying a NON-ASPIRATED V6. What do you really expect from bolt ons? Torque underwhelming??? Ok, if you have 332hp and 270lbs of torque. You are not going to get neck snapping torque easily with a 62hp deficit on tthe torque.
Any serious tuner that has been around v8's and v6's knows turbo is the only way to go with an NA v6 if 1/4miles and top speeds are your main goals.
If I had a gripe it would only be the cost of modding a Z. Every aftermarket part comes with an azzrape surcharge.
Also, we sometimes don't know a cars full potential, not because of a limited budget, but because we will chose mods according to taste or apprearance and not functionality in some cases.
Its no porsche because nissan spent the price on the whole Z in the chassis alone. Its no M3 cuz its not a turbo 6 or V8 depending on your year.
That's just me... maybe I'm too rational and less emotional about my expectations from the Z. At 40k we can't have our cake and eat it too. If there was a turbo model for our Z's? It would start @ 44k for the base model you know today. 55k would be an optioned Z. that price range attracts more american and german sports car buyers than japanese ones. That's why we didn't get it.
Maybe R&D will give us a nicely equipped turbo Z with 400hp @ sub 40k? But I heavily doubt it for $40k. If it was that easy? Camaros and mustangs would be FI at the Z price range too.

That's just me though... good luck blades and you definately had a hot Z.

I have to agree with this, I mean, did you not understand you were buying a naturally aspirated V6? Huge power gains with bolt-ons just doesn't seem realistic.

Red__Zed · 04-17-2012, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I respect the opinions here BUT...

My thing is this... when you buy a Z, you know you are buying a NON-ASPIRATED V6. What do you really expect from bolt ons? Torque underwhelming??? Ok, if you have 332hp and 270lbs of torque. You are not going to get neck snapping torque easily with a 62hp deficit on tthe torque.
Any serious tuner that has been around v8's and v6's knows turbo is the only way to go with an NA v6 if 1/4miles and top speeds are your main goals.
If I had a gripe it would only be the cost of modding a Z. Every aftermarket part comes with an azzrape surcharge.
Also, we sometimes don't know a cars full potential, not because of a limited budget, but because we will chose mods according to taste or apprearance and not functionality in some cases.
Its no porsche because nissan spent the price on the whole Z in the chassis alone. Its no M3 cuz its not a turbo 6 or V8 depending on your year.
That's just me... maybe I'm too rational and less emotional about my expectations from the Z. At 40k we can't have our cake and eat it too. If there was a turbo model for our Z's? It would start @ 44k for the base model you know today. 55k would be an optioned Z. that price range attracts more american and german sports car buyers than japanese ones. That's why we didn't get it.
Maybe R&D will give us a nicely equipped turbo Z with 400hp @ sub 40k? But I heavily doubt it for $40k. If it was that easy? Camaros and mustangs would be FI at the Z price range too.

That's just me though... good luck blades and you definately had a hot Z.

Non aspirated gets me everytime. I know you know by now.

shadoquad · 04-17-2012, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Non aspirated gets me everytime. I know you know by now.

Non-aspirated motors are the best. No needs for intakes or exhausts. We're talking about electric cars, right?

Red__Zed · 04-17-2012, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Non-aspirated motors are the best. No needs for intakes or exhausts. We're talking about electric cars, right?

Rocket engines?

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-17-2012, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Non aspirated gets me everytime. I know you know by now.

Gee my nuts really hurt.

mic_crispy · 04-17-2012, 10:40 AM

sucks man. Not to be a ****, but odds are unless you used dry CF most of your cf pieces were heavier than the aluminum you replaced.

And im not sure how you can be upset for a NA v6 making "only" about 340 whp modded. that's insanely good for a NA6.... and not sure how you wouldnt see this coming? Try owning a s2k... you can throw 10k at that thing and barely pickup 25whp over stock(staying NA).

Whats next?

mhcoss · 04-17-2012, 10:57 AM

How much weight did you shave off with all your carbon fiber modding?

NYBladeZ · 04-17-2012, 11:03 AM

Its not just that I found the torque underwhelming, its the fact that its extremely high up in the power. I found myself always have to reach for it, frustrating. The Z is great for what it is but considering that we are the "evolution" of the 350z and HR motors are showing great torque gains after F.I. whereas we are not (damn you VVEL), I guess in hindsight I wanted a little more. 350whp sounds much nicer than 33x.xx whp. My CF pieces weighed less than my stockers, not saying the OEM pieces aren't already stupid light but CF was still lighter, add a braille batter and I don't think I could have shaved anymore without going full racecar.

370Zsteve · 06-27-2013, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ

Its not just that I found the torque underwhelming, its the fact that its extremely high up in the power. I found myself always have to reach for it, frustrating. The Z is great for what it is but considering that we are the "evolution" of the 350z and HR motors are showing great torque gains after F.I. whereas we are not (damn you VVEL), I guess in hindsight I wanted a little more. 350whp sounds much nicer than 33x.xx whp. My CF pieces weighed less than my stockers, not saying the OEM pieces aren't already stupid light but CF was still lighter, add a braille batter and I don't think I could have shaved anymore without going full racecar.

When my Uprev tune was done, it was done for torque, not HP. I now have max torque on tap at 3200 Rpm vs 4800 rpm before the tune. Max HP is probably the worst indicator of useable power. Torque = Power, and the sooner torque comes on, the better. Especially on a race course or a dragstrip. Be honest, how often do you drive this engine over 6000 RPM? Your fillings will fall out.

370Zsteve · 06-27-2013, 10:28 AM

Holy Thread Resurrection, Batman!

m4a1mustang · 04-17-2012, 11:08 AM

Just sounds like it wasn't the right fit for you. Sometimes that happens. And sometimes you just need more than one car to keep you happy.

KaienZ34 · 04-17-2012, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Just sounds like it wasn't the right fit for you. Sometimes that happens. And sometimes you just need more than one car to keep you happy.

Sad be damn true...

PapoZalsa · 04-18-2012, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Just sounds like it wasn't the right fit for you. Sometimes that happens. And sometimes you just need more than one car to keep you happy.

Most people out there are always looking for more power doesn't matter what they drive.

Mt Tam I am · 04-18-2012, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ

If I had to be the fastest I'd probably want a GTR but I am likely one of the true "haters" of the GTR on here. Its blazing fast but no "soul" quoting HP and performance stats won't put a smile on my face like the Z did. Now if the GTR had a manual option I'd be all over it. I know I know I'm extremely picky and want a car that is fast, handles great, looks great, and makes me smile all the time while driving.

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Originally Posted by KillerBee370

I'm completely with you on this one. IF they offered a manual option then maybe... and a facelift lol

BTW.. given your last sentence here... you sound like a perfect candidate for an M3

This has been my feeling ever since I drove a GTR. I was set to buy one, then no MT. I bought the Z instead and saved the money I wanted to spend.

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ

3 buddies already have one, otherwise I would be tempted by the darkside. Then again, they all got M's because it is a great car. I would love a 1M but good luck finding one.

The 1M is so rare. BMW feels americans do not want it for some reason so they do not make it.

Am I wrong with this statement?

speedfreek · 04-18-2012, 02:15 PM

I like the Autobahn but there are idiots driving on it like anywhere else. The rule of thumb while on it is to stay to the far right unless passing. Most everyone follows this except for a few idiots. While driving up to Berlin an Audi and BMW passed me like I was sitting still and I was giving the crappy rental I had at the time (Opel) all it had. Well about half hour after they passed me I came over a small hill and it was lit up like Christmas where the emergency crew was working the wreck caused by one of these guys running over a slower moving vehicle on the Autobahn. I doubt either driver made it out of that wreck sadly. I wasn't there but either the BMW and Audi were still racing and going 2 wide causing the accident when they encountered the vehicle in the middle lane or the slow vehicle was in the left lane and they couldn't both manuever around it fast enough to avoid a high speed wreck. It didn't help that it was night time so out driving your headlights wasn't too smart to begin with.

04-17-2012, 10:40 AM	#6 (permalink)
mic_crispy Base Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Orlando Posts: 35 Drives: GTi Rep Power: 15	sucks man. Not to be a ****, but odds are unless you used dry CF most of your cf pieces were heavier than the aluminum you replaced. And im not sure how you can be upset for a NA v6 making "only" about 340 whp modded. that's insanely good for a NA6.... and not sure how you wouldnt see this coming? Try owning a s2k... you can throw 10k at that thing and barely pickup 25whp over stock(staying NA). Whats next? Initial Z likes this.

04-17-2012, 11:03 AM	#8 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 22	Its not just that I found the torque underwhelming, its the fact that its extremely high up in the power. I found myself always have to reach for it, frustrating. The Z is great for what it is but considering that we are the "evolution" of the 350z and HR motors are showing great torque gains after F.I. whereas we are not (damn you VVEL), I guess in hindsight I wanted a little more. 350whp sounds much nicer than 33x.xx whp. My CF pieces weighed less than my stockers, not saying the OEM pieces aren't already stupid light but CF was still lighter, add a braille batter and I don't think I could have shaved anymore without going full racecar. __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

06-27-2013, 10:28 AM	#10 (permalink)
370Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Gold Coast CT Posts: 10,599 Drives: 2019 Corvette G.S. Rep Power: 44	Holy Thread Resurrection, Batman! __________________ SOLD MY Z MARCH 2018 - another Core OG moves on - new ride 2019 Z Corvette Grand Sport - no mods necessary but already have eyes on HFC and intakes LOL IT NEVER ENDS.

04-17-2012, 11:08 AM	#11 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	Just sounds like it wasn't the right fit for you. Sometimes that happens. And sometimes you just need more than one car to keep you happy. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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