5.0

CrownR426 · 03-13-2011, 09:15 PM

video or it did not happen.

280z/300zx · 03-13-2011, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370

Ford's been stepping their game up significantly lately, I also heard rumors of a 350hp front wheel drive Focus will be coming out soon. Looks like the Z has yet, another competitor! Old article, but the new MT had a blurb about it.

Rumormill: 350-hp Focus RS Clubsport coming, next-gen RS to get hybrid power — Autoblog

Saw one of these in person that someone had brought over. Not a huge ford or focus fan but I was really in love with the car. Great look, great interior, and the green just made it pop. I heard that it was going to be AWD drive though.

Red370 · 03-13-2011, 09:31 PM

they say in this months issue of MT that it'll be made to be fwd to save weight, although an awd version would be pretty sweet.

samb03 · 03-13-2011, 11:16 PM

isn't European only.

GZ3 · 03-14-2011, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jpritche

Added a 5.0 to the kill list today(on a closed course of course) and I am gonna say wow, he must have been a bad driver to have lost twice... but I guess a kill is a kill...right?

P.S. I know there is no way that a 5.0 would lose to me if the driver was worth half a crap.

dont down play your win man...on a track, its a drivers race with an edge to 5.0 cause of the power...unless your talking about drag, in that case yes, musta been a shitty driver

m4a1mustang · 03-14-2011, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by GZ3

dont down play your win man...on a track, its a drivers race with an edge to 5.0 cause of the power...unless your talking about drag, in that case yes, musta been a shitty driver

I agree that it is a driver's race, but if the 5.0 driver does his job there is no contest. But believe me it's very easy to spin through 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and on into 4th in a 5.0 on your way to a mid 13 second pass if you get overly aggressive with your launch.

Drag races between similar cars are almost always won in the first 60'. Take the GT-R vs. ZR-1 drag races. The Corvette is the faster car, but the GT-R can launch like a bat out of hell. The 'Vette catches up to the GT-R by the end of the 1/4 mile but it's just not enough.

Interestingly, much like the Z, the quickest 5.0s seem to be the automatics. There are a number of documented 12.4 second bone-stock passes at 114+ mph... That would walk away from a 370 with ease.

Red__Zed · 03-14-2011, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by GZ3

dont down play your win man...on a track, its a drivers race with an edge to 5.0 cause of the power...unless your talking about drag, in that case yes, musta been a shitty driver

Highway pull == drag. The mustang has even more of an advantage if it was from a roll.

As for a track, see lightning lap times.

2009 Nissan NISMO 370Z > 3:12.0
FORD MUSTANG GT 5.0 > 3:08.6

Admittedly, VIR is a bit of a power track on full course, but that is still a far cry from a driver's race.

m4a1mustang · 03-14-2011, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Highway pull == drag. The mustang has even more of an advantage if it was from a roll.

As for a track, see lightning lap times.

2009 Nissan NISMO 370Z > 3:12.0
FORD MUSTANG GT 5.0 > 3:08.6

Admittedly, VIR is a bit of a power track on full course, but that is still a far cry from a driver's race.

The full course actually has a lot of twisty tight sections. The original full course is a power track, but the Grand East configuration combines power with some really technical sections.

Sibze · 03-14-2011, 09:20 AM

Thats because they used the slower Nismo model

m4a1mustang · 03-14-2011, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Sibze

Thats because they used the slower Nismo model

toxik · 03-14-2011, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Sibze

Thats because they used the slower Nismo model

you have OBVIOUSLY never flown with the eagles

shadoquad · 03-14-2011, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by toxik

you have OBVIOUSLY never flown with the eagles

so take it easy.

BLM · 03-14-2011, 09:28 AM

Even with a bad driver I still don't see how this happened, unless it was from a dig. I mean these 5.0's dyno 395 stock, which is over 110 whp more than a Z, and they're only 200-300 lbs heavier. Something is amiss...

Finally saw one today in person on the highway. It looks a sh!t ton better than in pictures, but still not my bag.

And it certainly appears the US economic recession has been a godsend to car enthusiasts. Ford could have easily released this beefed up 5.0 years ago. And now they're finally bringing a real Focus to the states that will compete with (and likely beat stock vs stock) Evo's and STI's...

Ford can build performance cars. Look at the GT, Shelby Cobra's, some of the limited edition Mustangs of the past and present...But given the milieu of the past 40 years in America, they were able to get bye with large displacement V8's that were underperformers out of the box, handled like crap, and garnered a reputation for being unreliable straight line only cars. Now they are finally showing off what they can do with production cars.

m4a1mustang · 03-14-2011, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BLM

Even with a bad driver I still don't see how this happened, unless it was from a dig. I mean these 5.0's dyno 395 stock, which is over 110 whp more than a Z, and they're only 200-300 lbs heavier. Something is amiss...

No, it can happen. I've had some BAD runs where I just spun forever and a day and maybe ended up with a 13.40 @ 110-112. Yes, I would be closing in on a Z fast at the big end of the track, but the Z's are capable of very high 12s to low 13s stock in ideal conditions, so in a scenario like that the Z could win.

Not to mention if you are going from a dig you need to take reaction time into account. In heads up racing that is usually the deciding factor along with the 60' time.

Now, usually if I have a bad launch I will just kill the run right there. I can tell in the first 60' if I'm going to have a good or a bad run. I used to just coast until track officials yelled at me for taking too long to get down the track.

So now I just leisurely complete the run... 14.xx at 90 mph or something.

m4a1mustang · 03-14-2011, 09:33 AM

The key with the 5.0 is it has a huge traction issue stock. The car is under-tired for it's level of power. With a better tire on the car... game over, I'm running sub 12.5 every time.

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BLM Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 342 Drives: 2011 Silver M6 sport Rep Power: 14	Even with a bad driver I still don't see how this happened, unless it was from a dig. I mean these 5.0's dyno 395 stock, which is over 110 whp more than a Z, and they're only 200-300 lbs heavier. Something is amiss... Finally saw one today in person on the highway. It looks a sh!t ton better than in pictures, but still not my bag. And it certainly appears the US economic recession has been a godsend to car enthusiasts. Ford could have easily released this beefed up 5.0 years ago. And now they're finally bringing a real Focus to the states that will compete with (and likely beat stock vs stock) Evo's and STI's... Ford can build performance cars. Look at the GT, Shelby Cobra's, some of the limited edition Mustangs of the past and present...But given the milieu of the past 40 years in America, they were able to get bye with large displacement V8's that were underperformers out of the box, handled like crap, and garnered a reputation for being unreliable straight line only cars. Now they are finally showing off what they can do with production cars. __________________ K&N // GTM // BERK Last edited by BLM; 03-14-2011 at 09:32 AM.

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