The new Camaros!

Endgame

Do you know for certain that a cam swap on this new engine will be that simple??? Does the $1000 cover cam install??

Not disagreeing with you, but as one of the ealier post, and you yourself alude to: The Camaro was touted at being a 'sport' car, able to hang with the 350z for certain. Now I know why GM kept testing the V6 car... it's handeling appears to be better than the SS! Weight KILLS this car. As the test are showing, the SS does not even handle better than the 350..

On the track, it may hang with the 350 due to shear brute force, but it does not stand a chance against the 370 on the track (not strip....track). I will take a lightly modded and tuned Z over a full tuned SS. Honestly, I like the Stangs better than the Maro now....

Dudes... GM MAY have failed again with this Maro and may loose to the Stang yet AGAIN!

Crash

I know for certain that $1000 would cover the cam, install and tune for the LSx. My friend owns Haddad Motorsport over here in Los Angeles. LSx motors are the most modded motors now. He was the first with a G8 (same exact motor and platform as the 2010 Camaro SS) to build aftermarket parts for. Within a couple of weeks of owning it, he had full exhaust, supercharger, suspension, etc... And the car was putting more than 480HP to the ground. He was working on an unlimited budget, but that was also more than a year ago. Now he already has the tunes and tools setup to simply start cranking out LS3 cammed cars.

I agree with the statement that LSx motors (no matter how old they are) just put down so much HP for cheap. Mod for mod, those motors can't be touched. That's the reason I've made my decision to put a heads/cam/intake/exhaust/tuned LS1 in my 300zx.

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MightyBobo

As was stated - yes, on the cam swap. And dont forget, some of us like to do our own work . Its quite easy doing cam-swaps in LSX's - I did my own the first time with help from someone who did it before, and it was so simple.

And I dont disagree on the Z beating the new Camaro at all on the track - there is a reason I bought a new 370Z, versus getting the new Camaro - its too fat! WAY too fat. Ford is getting the new Mustang right. Its like, 400 lbs lighter, and if the new 5.0 comes out, it'll have power too. Pity it'll still be live axle, but oh well - what can you do. At least its living up to its heritage...

BTW, I think the weight numbers are off here - the 1SS weighed around 3900 lbs. Not 3780. Either way, I dont see the new Camaro as much of a "sports" car - more like a hybrid of a Muscle car, with a sports car rear end...

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I had a feeling you would respond the way you did to the install of the cam. I have heard it was not too difficult and could be quite fun! And you are correct about the misstated weight. The SS is heavier than the GT500; imagine how heavy the Z28 would be if released... 4000 pounds+ ??

Either way, it was all hype about how the Camaro was going to be able to challenge the 370Z on the track. The more things change, the more they stay the same. I predict the majority of people will stick to what they are used to, aside from those in the minority such as you.

frost

Still have that? What a shame. Good lookin car, and would be a great deal for someone who wants a badass 1/4 car.

Crash

By the way, I just ran the current numbers for power/weight ratios:

Camaro: (3780Lbs / 422HP) = 8.957Lbs/HP

370z: (3232Lbs / 332HP) = 9.735Lbs/HP

They say the Camaro is pulling a 13 flat quarter mile. I'll be laughing until I see it.

EDIT:: Fixed transposition... Thanks VetterVert. (+1)

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VetteVert

You might want to fix your transposition Otherwise, those are 2 very powerful cars!

VV

Crash

HAHA... You're right. Thanks... (it's late!)

Camaro: (3780Lbs / 422HP) = 8.957Lbs/HP

370z: (3232Lbs / 332HP) = 9.735Lbs/HP

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tvfreakazoid

I thought the 370 was closer to 3400lbs not 3200. I wish it was but it's not

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tvfreakazoid

Let's face it in reality most people are going to race in the streets (in a strait line). Not many people are going race on a track or twisty road. I assume most of us are just regular everyday drivers and driving strait is easier than on a track or on the twisties. So, I think the straits count a little for me.

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Endgame

Well... I certainly HOPE you are not racing on public streets...... That would be illegal Sir...

It was becuase of knuckleheads racing on public streets that several fatal accidents occured here in Phx within a span of a few months... It also cause Police to REALLY crack down on any type of spirited driving.

Please do not street race.

Asheth

I don't understand the point of this thread anymore as it has gone from being a I wonder if the Z can hang with the new SS before the numbers came out.

Now that we see that it can hang with the SS straight line numbers of course then the whole thing was oh SS has good numbers Z is close they are comparable. Facts and numbers out and no more speculation and now the debate is back to speculation?!? WTF

Its all variables end of the day if you choose to do so will lose against some camaro ss and beat some. Could be stock could possibly not be. My guess is on average most will be stock. Not everybody that gets a car does performance mods outside of Intake which is probably the most common.

You might get a Camaro that has exhaust work done doesnt mean he can drive. Could you still beat him if your in a stock Z or you have say a Intake? YUP.

But it is all woulda coulda,

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Robert_Nash

Yes...it's illegal and stupid and while I've done my share of street racing in the past, I've also seen enough people die, including friends, that I know how monumentally stupid and dangerous illegal racing actually is.

Frankly, no one has the right to put other people's lives at risk so that they can fell like some hot shot racer.

I know a lot of guys think that they are different...that the bad wrecks and wrecked lives always happen to other people...I"m a better driver and on and on...I've heard it all and it's all garbage and rationalization.

There are enough track days and drag strips in this country to provide all the legal racing you want and you don't have to put anyone else's life at risk doing it.

Arrive alive.

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theDreamer

Base with manual is 3,232, touring is 3,278
Base with automatic is 3,269, touring is 3,314

Now, add in other little features that might have been left out by "official" numbers, and you are still well under 3400 even with a touring automatic.

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zZSportZz

I'm a Z owner and I like the new camero. Seeing the camaro at a couple shows, it was just too big for my tastes. I wanted something nimble to dart in an out of DC traffic. If you have not seen the camaro in person, its HUGE (I'm not just talking weight). When you sit in it, it feels massive. I didn't really see myself darting in and out of anything in that thing....except maybe my girlfriend since the seats recline

I bet it would be really fun on long country roads though.