The new Camaros!

Endgame

Do you know for certain that a cam swap on this new engine will be that simple??? Does the $1000 cover cam install??

Not disagreeing with you, but as one of the ealier post, and you yourself alude to: The Camaro was touted at being a 'sport' car, able to hang with the 350z for certain. Now I know why GM kept testing the V6 car... it's handeling appears to be better than the SS! Weight KILLS this car. As the test are showing, the SS does not even handle better than the 350..

On the track, it may hang with the 350 due to shear brute force, but it does not stand a chance against the 370 on the track (not strip....track). I will take a lightly modded and tuned Z over a full tuned SS. Honestly, I like the Stangs better than the Maro now....

Dudes... GM MAY have failed again with this Maro and may loose to the Stang yet AGAIN!

Crash

I know for certain that $1000 would cover the cam, install and tune for the LSx. My friend owns Haddad Motorsport over here in Los Angeles. LSx motors are the most modded motors now. He was the first with a G8 (same exact motor and platform as the 2010 Camaro SS) to build aftermarket parts for. Within a couple of weeks of owning it, he had full exhaust, supercharger, suspension, etc... And the car was putting more than 480HP to the ground. He was working on an unlimited budget, but that was also more than a year ago. Now he already has the tunes and tools setup to simply start cranking out LS3 cammed cars.

I agree with the statement that LSx motors (no matter how old they are) just put down so much HP for cheap. Mod for mod, those motors can't be touched. That's the reason I've made my decision to put a heads/cam/intake/exhaust/tuned LS1 in my 300zx.

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MightyBobo

As was stated - yes, on the cam swap. And dont forget, some of us like to do our own work . Its quite easy doing cam-swaps in LSX's - I did my own the first time with help from someone who did it before, and it was so simple.

And I dont disagree on the Z beating the new Camaro at all on the track - there is a reason I bought a new 370Z, versus getting the new Camaro - its too fat! WAY too fat. Ford is getting the new Mustang right. Its like, 400 lbs lighter, and if the new 5.0 comes out, it'll have power too. Pity it'll still be live axle, but oh well - what can you do. At least its living up to its heritage...

BTW, I think the weight numbers are off here - the 1SS weighed around 3900 lbs. Not 3780. Either way, I dont see the new Camaro as much of a "sports" car - more like a hybrid of a Muscle car, with a sports car rear end...

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Endgame

I had a feeling you would respond the way you did to the install of the cam. I have heard it was not too difficult and could be quite fun! And you are correct about the misstated weight. The SS is heavier than the GT500; imagine how heavy the Z28 would be if released... 4000 pounds+ ??

Either way, it was all hype about how the Camaro was going to be able to challenge the 370Z on the track. The more things change, the more they stay the same. I predict the majority of people will stick to what they are used to, aside from those in the minority such as you.

Robert_Nash

There is always a price to pay and diminishing returns to deal with as you start adding horsepower...for a vehicle (driveline, brakes, shocks, etc, etc.) to be able to handle 400 or 500 or more horsepower, those things have to be strengthened which often means added weight unless innovative (meaning expensive) materials are used. Individual consumers are free to get 600 RWH from an engine without actually making the car safe to handle it but a manufacturer can't do that and survive.

Then the is the simple fact that the more HP you get from an engine, the more you loose in the driveline.

Obviously, Chevrolet can build a world-class sports car and one need look no further than even the base Corvette, let alone the Z06 and ZR1 (although all versions of the 'Vette could use some real work on the interiors and options) but you can't build a Corvette at a Camaro price point.

If you love Chevrolet and/or GM and/or Camaros, you are probably going to love and support the new Camaro even with its shortcomings...if you aren't in the category, then I doubt the new Camaro is going to be the car you've "got to have".

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