Has VDC made you a worse Z driver?

Modshack · 08-14-2010, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nimbus

Does anyone know how to default VDC off instead of on? Or is there a fuse to pull for permanently disable VDC?

There is a company that makes modules you can wire in that will trigger VDC off on start-up. My lawyers have advised me not to give you this information (and besides I've lost the link)....

Zsteve · 08-14-2010, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nimbus

Does anyone know how to default VDC off instead of on? Or is there a fuse to pull for permanently disable VDC?

very dangerous and will void warranty if they know it. You might not mind killing yourself but you might kill someone else some time. You get into an accident and they find out the VDC was off or disabled and you had hurt someone you are done with, ins will not cover you and all.

resopaton · 08-14-2010, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

I don't think the Nismo is as well balanced, suspension wise, as the standard car. It's Set up with more rear roll stiffness, kinda like it's tuned for drifting. When my Buddy Zpirate had his Stillen rear bar set to full stiff on his sport/tour he got similar intrusion by the VDC/ABS system.

Makes sense...thanks for the input

Zaggeron · 08-14-2010, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

very dangerous and will void warranty if they know it. You might not mind killing yourself but you might kill someone else some time. You get into an accident and they find out the VDC was off or disabled and you had hurt someone you are done with, ins will not cover you and all.

I agree it's very dangerous and a mod like that will void your warranty, but I don't believe it would affect insurance. Of course insurance policies vary, but my insurance has never had a clause that required me to keep all driver aids on at all times.

Zsteve · 08-14-2010, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaggeron

I agree it's very dangerous and a mod like that will void your warranty, but I don't believe it would affect insurance. Of course insurance policies vary, but my insurance has never had a clause that required me to keep all driver aids on at all times.

neglegance might play a factor in their decision. Dont know if they can legally say they wont pay if the driver is neglegent but they will probably try when it comes to big bucks. Just not worth it either way.

wilsonp · 08-14-2010, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerBee370

One does not know his limitations while the training wheels are attached.

One doesn't learn his limitations with training wheels attached; one may, however, already know his limitations.

spearfish25 · 08-14-2010, 04:44 PM

I've had an accident or two and no insurance company ever asked if my driver aids were turned on/off. No way they will have any idea unless you go broadcasting the information.

Zsteve · 08-14-2010, 05:08 PM

accidents are one thing but kill someone or going crashing into a house or the likes and they will investigate. Small chance I know but not worth the risk of having it hard wired off so it can be discovered later.

sonic370 · 08-14-2010, 06:12 PM

I'm all for safety first myself i never turn off the vdc. But i'll guess i will show my age and ask whats all the fuss about anyway. How about common sense and some driver responsibility. know your limitations and your surroundings.

back in high school i had a 69 GTO with about 400 hp no such thing as vdc,
abs brakes etc. with skinny 15in tires all the muscle cars in the 60's where the same.with those cars it was about driver skill and knowing your limitations and your cars. today guys will turn off the vdc and then don't have a clue what happens next and blame it on the car or the other driver.

shadow2k · 08-15-2010, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

accidents are one thing but kill someone or going crashing into a house or the likes and they will investigate. Small chance I know but not worth the risk of having it hard wired off so it can be discovered later.

uhhh...wow.

If you crashed into a house, VDC was not going to save you, you've gone well beyond the limits of VDC, the car, and your driving abilities. It is not a magic button that let's you drive around like a bat out of hell without worry (and the fact that people seem to think it is worries me). It prevents oversteer and slippage...not complete stupidity.

FYI, you are not going to get into trouble for turning off VDC. You're going to get into trouble for driving in a manner that would crash your car into a house. You'd get into the exact same amount of trouble whether VDC was on or off, and you can accomplish the same stupdity of hitting a house either way.

Nimbus · 08-15-2010, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by shadow2k

uhhh...wow.

If you crashed into a house, VDC was not going to save you, you've gone well beyond the limits of VDC, the car, and your driving abilities. It is not a magic button that let's you drive around like a bat out of hell without worry (and the fact that people seem to think it is worries me). It prevents oversteer and slippage...not complete stupidity.

FYI, you are not going to get into trouble for turning off VDC. You're going to get into trouble for driving in a manner that would crash your car into a house. You'd get into the exact same amount of trouble whether VDC was on or off, and you can accomplish the same stupdity of hitting a house either way.

Vegitto-kun · 08-15-2010, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

neglegance might play a factor in their decision. Dont know if they can legally say they wont pay if the driver is neglegent but they will probably try when it comes to big bucks. Just not worth it either way.

Yes but this module is different from just pushing the button and if they found out they would whine about it.

Hell here if I have a accident and they found out if I had a different CBE+intakes I would lose my insurance because my HP would be different than what I insure and they would blame the extra power.

So technically everytime I mod the car I have to go back and tell them "yo I got new intakes" and then they put "cartuning" in my file.

causing me to pay alot more.

Zsteve · 08-15-2010, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Vegitto-kun

Yes but this module is different from just pushing the button and if they found out they would whine about it.

Hell here if I have a accident and they found out if I had a different CBE+intakes I would lose my insurance because my HP would be different than what I insure and they would blame the extra power.

So technically everytime I mod the car I have to go back and tell them "yo I got new intakes" and then they put "cartuning" in my file.

causing me to pay alot more.

Man that sucks. it wierd how each country differs on all this stuff.

Zsteve · 08-15-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by shadow2k

uhhh...wow.

If you crashed into a house, VDC was not going to save you, you've gone well beyond the limits of VDC, the car, and your driving abilities. It is not a magic button that let's you drive around like a bat out of hell without worry (and the fact that people seem to think it is worries me). It prevents oversteer and slippage...not complete stupidity.

FYI, you are not going to get into trouble for turning off VDC. You're going to get into trouble for driving in a manner that would crash your car into a house. You'd get into the exact same amount of trouble whether VDC was on or off, and you can accomplish the same stupdity of hitting a house either way.

this I know what Im saying is when it comes to a company paying lots of money out to cover a claim for a huge hospital bill and repair to property and those hurt will investigate to posibbly get out of it and if they find things that are done to disable safety devices they have a way out. So hard wiring any safety features off is asking for trouble. Not mention a big law suit to boot from the innocent ones.

Kinda like turning off the air bags and asking for coverage when you get hurt from not having them.

LunaZ · 08-15-2010, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

Kinda like turning off the air bags and asking for coverage when you get hurt from not having them.

I've removed the air bag steering wheel from my Miata, but I'm confident that the doors will be all I need to protect me.

08-14-2010, 04:44 PM	#67 (permalink)
spearfish25 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 4,117 Drives: to work Rep Power: 1856	I've had an accident or two and no insurance company ever asked if my driver aids were turned on/off. No way they will have any idea unless you go broadcasting the information. __________________ 2013 Cadillac V-Wagon, RIP Z

08-14-2010, 05:08 PM	#68 (permalink)
Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: TX Posts: 3,298 Drives: the 2 balled club Rep Power: 21	accidents are one thing but kill someone or going crashing into a house or the likes and they will investigate. Small chance I know but not worth the risk of having it hard wired off so it can be discovered later. __________________ 2010 LS3 C6 Silver coupe corvette

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08-14-2010, 06:12 PM	#69 (permalink)
sonic370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: Orange Texas Posts: 1,574 Drives: 09 370Z Sports PGK Rep Power: 18	I'm all for safety first myself i never turn off the vdc. But i'll guess i will show my age and ask whats all the fuss about anyway. How about common sense and some driver responsibility. know your limitations and your surroundings. back in high school i had a 69 GTO with about 400 hp no such thing as vdc, abs brakes etc. with skinny 15in tires all the muscle cars in the 60's where the same.with those cars it was about driver skill and knowing your limitations and your cars. today guys will turn off the vdc and then don't have a clue what happens next and blame it on the car or the other driver.