SRM: Nissan's View, Failure to Change the Industry

Red__Zed · 12-01-2013, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

You know why it's not catching on, because manual is a dying breed

That may be part of it, but it's not like SRM is something the world is clamoring for.

DEpointfive0 · 12-01-2013, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

That may be part of it, but it's not like SRM is something the world is clamoring for.

Well, I agree that the world doesn't know it's there because Nissan sucks at press releases, and the world doesn't care because manuals are dying off

Firebase99 · 11-30-2013, 10:21 PM

The PDK's and DCM's are so efficient, no matter how well you can manually row those gears, you will NEVER get a better lap time than these new auto's. I track at Sebring, GT3's, BMW, etc. Yep, they are faster than me (assuming they have experience), ALL of them, not most, ALL say its unfortunate, the death of the manual. Yes, its quicker, your lap time gets better, etc. However, 99% of these cars NEVER see a track day so auto is it. Not as much fun, but faster.

iErick1284 · 12-01-2013, 12:28 AM

The C7 has that feature as well

Elan · 12-01-2013, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by iErick1284

The C7 has that feature as well

Yes and many magazines reviewing it kept referencing the 370Z during thier C7 tests with it on!

Still SRM will stay off cause downshifting is half the fun of manual driving. Only time it comes on is bumper to bumper traffic going in and out of 1st and 2nd.

DLSTR · 12-01-2013, 11:59 AM

Love the feature and makes our cars unique!!

Z_ealot · 12-01-2013, 12:08 PM

I would agree that manual transmissions are dying but a news article not to long ago about how younger divers are now opting for manual transmission cars lately leads me to believe otherwise...Ford is actually manufacturing more manuals lately as a result according to the article I read

Red__Zed · 12-01-2013, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Z_ealot

I would agree that manual transmissions are dying but a news article not to long ago about how younger divers are now opting for manual transmission cars lately leads me to believe otherwise...Ford is actually manufacturing more manuals lately as a result according to the article I read

Enthusiasts will continue to opt for manuals well into the future. It's not dying quite as quickly as many seem to think.

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

Well, I agree that the world doesn't know it's there because Nissan sucks at press releases, and the world doesn't care because manuals are dying off

It's not a big deal in the Vette either. It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

StangerGT · 12-01-2013, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

It's not a big deal in the Vette either. It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

Part of driving manual... is that its manual. Automatic rev matching is just another electro-gizmo that takes away from doing it yourself.

efficiency doesn't always equal fun

Rangerz · 12-01-2013, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25

So, why do you think Nissan is still the sole company with an SRM manual?

the new vette has rev match I think.

kfull · 12-01-2013, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rangerz

the new vette has rev match I think.

^^yep, true

Red__Zed · 12-01-2013, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rangerz

the new vette has rev match I think.

you are quoting a post from 2010.

alcheng · 12-01-2013, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25

I was just pondering a bit this morning why SRM (syncro rev-match) never really caught on with the rest of the industry. Many times a new technology is quickly adopted by numerous manufacturers at once. Dual-clutch auto transmissions, collision avoiding cruise control, cooled front seats...but not SRM.

While I love my SRM and use it almost 100% of the time, it's surely not a necessity. But then neither are those other technologies mentioned above. I suppose one could argue that the 6 speed manual is going out of favor rather quickly these days, and investing more money in it is a waste of resources. However, plenty of purists still buy their supercars with manual transmissions. I can easily see some 6MT Audi R8 owner paying an additional $3,500 for a 'shift-matching' option in their Technology Package.

So, why do you think Nissan is still the sole company with an SRM manual?

OP, you said it, " it's surely not a necessity", then why waste money putting it in the car, rather put a dual clutch instead..

also, learn how to master the heel-toe technique, you'll find the SRM is useless and heel-toe is MUCH MORE FUN..!!!

Jordo! · 12-01-2013, 02:42 PM

Everything follows F1 technology and, accordingly, the tech available on the very high end exotics -- standard manuals are on their way out, period.

It's final days will be spent as an economy car (or, "price saving") feature, and not a sports car feature.

Moreover, as electric motors become more common, that will kill it for good.

Fewer and fewer higher end cars even have clutch pedals as an option anymore... I give it 10 more years before it's an eco feature only.

Finally, lets not confuse control over what gear you are in vs. the way in which gear changes are actuated...

Red__Zed · 12-01-2013, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Everything follows F1 technology and, accordingly, the tech available on the very high end exotics -- standard manuals are on their way out, period.

It's final days will be spent as an economy car (or, "price saving") feature, and not a sports car feature.

Moreover, as electric motors become more common, that will kill it for good.

Fewer and fewer higher end cars even have clutch pedals as an option anymore... I give it 10 more years before it's an eco feature only.

Finally, lets not confuse control over what gear you are in vs. the way in which gear changes are actuated...

For high end cars, sure. There will be demand for manual transmissions in cars like the BRZ/370z/Mustang etc for many years to come.

Electric motors are a long way from displacing gasoline engines.

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Firebase99 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: fl Posts: 1,372 Drives: 14 3.8 Gen Coupe GT Rep Power: 14035	The PDK's and DCM's are so efficient, no matter how well you can manually row those gears, you will NEVER get a better lap time than these new auto's. I track at Sebring, GT3's, BMW, etc. Yep, they are faster than me (assuming they have experience), ALL of them, not most, ALL say its unfortunate, the death of the manual. Yes, its quicker, your lap time gets better, etc. However, 99% of these cars NEVER see a track day so auto is it. Not as much fun, but faster.

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iErick1284 Base Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 54 Drives: 09 370z PW M6 Rep Power: 14	The C7 has that feature as well

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DLSTR A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Süd Germany Posts: 2,462 Drives: 21Supra 2.0/22 M240i Rep Power: 21269	Love the feature and makes our cars unique!!

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Z_ealot A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 2,045 Drives: 09 370Z Touring/Sprt Rep Power: 10092	I would agree that manual transmissions are dying but a news article not to long ago about how younger divers are now opting for manual transmission cars lately leads me to believe otherwise...Ford is actually manufacturing more manuals lately as a result according to the article I read