SRM: Nissan's View, Failure to Change the Industry

Jordo! · 12-01-2013, 02:42 PM

Everything follows F1 technology and, accordingly, the tech available on the very high end exotics -- standard manuals are on their way out, period.

It's final days will be spent as an economy car (or, "price saving") feature, and not a sports car feature.

Moreover, as electric motors become more common, that will kill it for good.

Fewer and fewer higher end cars even have clutch pedals as an option anymore... I give it 10 more years before it's an eco feature only.

Finally, lets not confuse control over what gear you are in vs. the way in which gear changes are actuated...

Red__Zed · 12-01-2013, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Everything follows F1 technology and, accordingly, the tech available on the very high end exotics -- standard manuals are on their way out, period.

It's final days will be spent as an economy car (or, "price saving") feature, and not a sports car feature.

Moreover, as electric motors become more common, that will kill it for good.

Fewer and fewer higher end cars even have clutch pedals as an option anymore... I give it 10 more years before it's an eco feature only.

Finally, lets not confuse control over what gear you are in vs. the way in which gear changes are actuated...

For high end cars, sure. There will be demand for manual transmissions in cars like the BRZ/370z/Mustang etc for many years to come.

Electric motors are a long way from displacing gasoline engines.

Jordo! · 12-01-2013, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

For high end cars, sure. There will be demand for manual transmissions in cars like the BRZ/370z/Mustang etc for many years to come.

Electric motors are a long way from displacing gasoline engines.

10 years could be construed as "many"

True on the electric -- I predict, about 25 years or so.

Red__Zed · 12-01-2013, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

10 years could be construed as "many"

True on the electric -- I predict, about 25 years or so.

My point was that SRM isn't on manuals because there is little demand for SRM, not because the manual is "dead." If it had 10 years left (I'd guess it keeps going beyond that) it would still be well worth implementing a shift-matching technology...provided there was demand for something like that.

StangerGT · 12-01-2013, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Everything follows F1 technology and, accordingly, the tech available on the very high end exotics -- standard manuals are on their way out, period.

It's final days will be spent as an economy car (or, "price saving") feature, and not a sports car feature.

Moreover, as electric motors become more common, that will kill it for good.

Fewer and fewer higher end cars even have clutch pedals as an option anymore... I give it 10 more years before it's an eco feature only.

Finally, lets not confuse control over what gear you are in vs. the way in which gear changes are actuated...

There will always be a demand for manuals in communities like Jeeps/Mustangs/etc. People enjoy them because they are fun, not because they are sourced from some F1 team.

Electric motors may kill the transmission as a whole, but i doubt for some time. If anything it will be slow coming as they will probably adopt a merged platform like the P1 or 918, where electric motors provide AWD solution, increase mpg, and augments a motor.

Until they resolve charging times and capacity issues the gas motor wont go away due to range anxiety.

The BlueMax · 12-01-2013, 07:27 PM

I think Nissan should of out-sourced their manual trans. from Honda, you never hear about in quality problems with their manual trans. & everybody talks about how smooth they shift. My 97 T-56 6speed in my WS6 T/A shifts a whole lot better " no issues" & that was one of the borg & warner designs from the early 90s. The 370Z trans. design is 12 years newer but less effective.

Chuck33079 · 12-01-2013, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The BlueMax

I think Nissan should of out-sourced their manual trans. from Honda, you never hear about in quality problems with their manual trans. & everybody talks about how smooth they shift. My 97 T-56 6speed in my WS6 T/A shifts a whole lot better " no issues" & that was one of the borg & warner designs from the early 90s. The 370Z trans. design is 12 years newer but less effective.

How is it less effective? It holds power just fine. Every really strong transmission I've ever driven has been clunky. Plus, your Honda transmissions are cable shifters. The Z is directly mounted.

Red__Zed · 12-01-2013, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

How is it less effective? It holds power just fine. Every really strong transmission I've ever driven has been clunky. Plus, your Honda transmissions are cable shifters. The Z is directly mounted.

12-01-2013, 02:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 420	Everything follows F1 technology and, accordingly, the tech available on the very high end exotics -- standard manuals are on their way out, period. It's final days will be spent as an economy car (or, "price saving") feature, and not a sports car feature. Moreover, as electric motors become more common, that will kill it for good. Fewer and fewer higher end cars even have clutch pedals as an option anymore... I give it 10 more years before it's an eco feature only. Finally, lets not confuse control over what gear you are in vs. the way in which gear changes are actuated... __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it.

12-01-2013, 07:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
The BlueMax Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Louisville Posts: 337 Drives: 09 370/97 T/A 01 ZRX Rep Power: 27	Manual Trans Quality I think Nissan should of out-sourced their manual trans. from Honda, you never hear about in quality problems with their manual trans. & everybody talks about how smooth they shift. My 97 T-56 6speed in my WS6 T/A shifts a whole lot better " no issues" & that was one of the borg & warner designs from the early 90s. The 370Z trans. design is 12 years newer but less effective. __________________ The Blue Max

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