Our Z vs New Mustang 5.0

kevin.z · 05-08-2010, 10:51 PM

ahh... you are complaining about not having a v8 and you now have wimpy fwd GTI. I am sorry man, you fail.

kailua · 05-08-2010, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kevin.z

ahh... you are complaining about not having a v8 and you now have wimpy fwd GTI. I am sorry man, you fail.

Uh, Ok.

I don't know how this is a fail, considering the GTI with APR flash has more usable torque than the Z and for my daily driving needs, torque is actually more important than hp.

Plus, the whole point of a V8 over V6 is not having to redline your vehicle to extract all the hp and torque.

So wishing that Nissan would offer the new M56 V8 in a Z while I own a GTI is fail?

By your logic then, I guess anyone who owns a 370Z and longs for a GTR, R8, or 911 Turbo would be epic fail since the 370Z is a "wimpy rwd".

You remind me of fanboys who have to crap on anything that isn't a (insert your current fanboy ride).

nextbesthing · 05-09-2010, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kailua

Uh, Ok.

I don't know how this is a fail, considering the GTI with APR flash has more usable torque than the Z and for my daily driving needs, torque is actually more important than hp.

Plus, the whole point of a V8 over V6 is not having to redline your vehicle to extract all the hp and torque.

So wishing that Nissan would offer the new M56 V8 in a Z while I own a GTI is fail?

By your logic then, I guess anyone who owns a 370Z and longs for a GTR, R8, or 911 Turbo would be epic fail since the 370Z is a "wimpy rwd".

You remind me of fanboys who have to crap on anything that isn't a (insert your current fanboy ride).

No matter how you look at it, you went from a Z to a GTI....FAIL

kailua · 05-09-2010, 02:40 AM

Yes

Dan37TZ · 05-09-2010, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kailua

Uh, Ok.

I don't know how this is a fail, considering the GTI with APR flash has more usable torque than the Z and for my daily driving needs, torque is actually more important than hp.

Plus, the whole point of a V8 over V6 is not having to redline your vehicle to extract all the hp and torque.

So wishing that Nissan would offer the new M56 V8 in a Z while I own a GTI is fail?

By your logic then, I guess anyone who owns a 370Z and longs for a GTR, R8, or 911 Turbo would be epic fail since the 370Z is a "wimpy rwd".

You remind me of fanboys who have to crap on anything that isn't a (insert your current fanboy ride).

Horsepower IS the calculation of TORQUE at a certain RPM. So in reality, horsepower numbers is what you really want to look at, how it's delivered, and how the gearing of the car puts the power to use. Gearing and horsepower curve is what you want to look at.

Also you mention you love motors that make lots of torque down low, yet you pick a front wheel drive car. I've owned high powered FWD cars and lots of low end torque in a wrong wheel drive car is MAJOR fail, traction issues, wheel hop, torque steer, a nightmare. A low flat torque curve in a motor that loves to rev for high rpm power is the way to go for FWD cars. That's why Honda > VW all day long when it comes to FWD performance (oxymoron) oriented cars.

My modded JB3 335i makes 400+ft lbs of torque at 2500rpm. Is it fast? HELL YES. Is it fun to drive like the Z? Not even close, I think sports cars should be revved out for power. Shoving a huge V8 that makes huge amounts of torque down low and runs out of steam right when you want to rev it out into a pure sports car like the Z is retarded. If anything, a low torque, short stroke high revving small displacement V8 (like 4.0L V8 in the E90/92 M3 would be amazing for the Z) It only makes 295ft lb of torque yet it revs to 8300 and is amazing.

fullmonty · 05-09-2010, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan37TZ

Horsepower IS the calculation of TORQUE at a certain RPM. So in reality, horsepower numbers is what you really want to look at, how it's delivered, and how the gearing of the car puts the power to use. Gearing and horsepower curve is what you want to look at.

Also you mention you love motors that make lots of torque down low, yet you pick a front wheel drive car. I've owned high powered FWD cars and lots of low end torque in a wrong wheel drive car is MAJOR fail, traction issues, wheel hop, torque steer, a nightmare. A low flat torque curve in a motor that loves to rev for high rpm power is the way to go for FWD cars. That's why Honda > VW all day long when it comes to FWD performance (oxymoron) oriented cars.

My modded JB3 335i makes 400+ft lbs of torque at 2500rpm. Is it fast? HELL YES. Is it fun to drive like the Z? Not even close, I think sports cars should be revved out for power. Shoving a huge V8 that makes huge amounts of torque down low and runs out of steam right when you want to rev it out into a pure sports car like the Z is retarded. If anything, a low torque, short stroke high revving small displacement V8 (like 4.0L V8 in the E90/92 M3 would be amazing for the Z) It only makes 295ft lb of torque yet it revs to 8300 and is amazing.

As I started reading your post I was only gonna post 'Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races' but instead I'm going to agree with you in full

Hi-Step'n370Z · 05-09-2010, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by fullmonty

As I started reading your post I was only gonna post 'Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races' but instead I'm going to agree with you in full

I agree also.

kailua · 05-09-2010, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan37TZ

Horsepower IS the calculation of TORQUE at a certain RPM. So in reality, horsepower numbers is what you really want to look at, how it's delivered, and how the gearing of the car puts the power to use. Gearing and horsepower curve is what you want to look at.

Also you mention you love motors that make lots of torque down low, yet you pick a front wheel drive car. I've owned high powered FWD cars and lots of low end torque in a wrong wheel drive car is MAJOR fail, traction issues, wheel hop, torque steer, a nightmare. A low flat torque curve in a motor that loves to rev for high rpm power is the way to go for FWD cars. That's why Honda > VW all day long when it comes to FWD performance (oxymoron) oriented cars.

My modded JB3 335i makes 400+ft lbs of torque at 2500rpm. Is it fast? HELL YES. Is it fun to drive like the Z? Not even close, I think sports cars should be revved out for power. Shoving a huge V8 that makes huge amounts of torque down low and runs out of steam right when you want to rev it out into a pure sports car like the Z is retarded. If anything, a low torque, short stroke high revving small displacement V8 (like 4.0L V8 in the E90/92 M3 would be amazing for the Z) It only makes 295ft lb of torque yet it revs to 8300 and is amazing.

Yes, I agree with you, however, I think the context of what I was trying to say has been lost.

The original post has to do with the fact that mnms370Z is having fleeting thoughts of maybe selling his Z and getting a Mustang with the new 5.0 V8.

Great, fabulous, whatever, I am not one to judge what vehicle he may be content with; he may really like the new Mustang, I don't know. Not for me to say, it's his decision.

I mentioned that I would love to have a Z with the new 5.6 V8 in the Infiniti M56. I then mentioned how I liked the instant torque of the 5.7 V8 in my Tundra. This is all for daily driving. I am not tracking a Tundra or the Z nor the GTI.

But of course the minute I mention that I moved on to a GTI, the fanboys are all over it, calling FAIL, like I just sold their first born to buy a burrito.

I am a pretty fickle guy so I usually hold on to my vehicles for a really short time and move on to something different. So just like the 09 370Z and the 09 STI and all the other vehicles I have owned, including the controversial GTI

in about 6 months I will be driving something else.

And yes, I know, depreciation, and cost, etc of selling so soon, but this is my hobby and like a lot of folks on the 370Z forum I have the means to change out vehicles frequently.

So the fanboys that I was referring to earlier, need to get over it and stop being such brand whores.

370Zsteve · 05-09-2010, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by kailua

Yes, I agree with you, however, I think the context of what I was trying to say has been lost.

The original post has to do with the fact that mnms370Z is having fleeting thoughts of maybe selling his Z and getting a Mustang with the new 5.0 V8.

Great, fabulous, whatever, I am not one to judge what vehicle he may be content with; he may really like the new Mustang, I don't know. Not for me to say, it's his decision.

I mentioned that I would love to have a Z with the new 5.6 V8 in the Infiniti M56. I then mentioned how I liked the instant torque of the 5.7 V8 in my Tundra. This is all for daily driving. I am not tracking a Tundra or the Z nor the GTI.

But of course the minute I mention that I moved on to a GTI, the fanboys are all over it, calling FAIL, like I just sold their first born to buy a burrito.

I am a pretty fickle guy so I usually hold on to my vehicles for a really short time and move on to something different. So just like the 09 370Z and the 09 STI and all the other vehicles I have owned, including the controversial GTI

in about 6 months I will be driving something else.

And yes, I know, depreciation, and cost, etc of selling so soon, but this is my hobby and like a lot of folks on the 370Z forum I have the means to change out vehicles frequently.

So the fanboys that I was referring to earlier, need to get over it and stop being such brand whores.

I think that anyone who has owned 3 different cars in one year needs his head examined. Something wrong with you, man. I'm not gonna say GTI=Fail cuz it's a good car for a DD, better than a Z imo since a DD should be able to bring home loot from a monthly Costco trip.

waaaasabi · 05-09-2010, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kailua

Yes, I agree with you, however, I think the context of what I was trying to say has been lost.

The original post has to do with the fact that mnms370Z is having fleeting thoughts of maybe selling his Z and getting a Mustang with the new 5.0 V8.

Great, fabulous, whatever, I am not one to judge what vehicle he may be content with; he may really like the new Mustang, I don't know. Not for me to say, it's his decision.

I mentioned that I would love to have a Z with the new 5.6 V8 in the Infiniti M56. I then mentioned how I liked the instant torque of the 5.7 V8 in my Tundra. This is all for daily driving. I am not tracking a Tundra or the Z nor the GTI.

But of course the minute I mention that I moved on to a GTI, the fanboys are all over it, calling FAIL, like I just sold their first born to buy a burrito.

I am a pretty fickle guy so I usually hold on to my vehicles for a really short time and move on to something different. So just like the 09 370Z and the 09 STI and all the other vehicles I have owned, including the controversial GTI

in about 6 months I will be driving something else.

And yes, I know, depreciation, and cost, etc of selling so soon, but this is my hobby and like a lot of folks on the 370Z forum I have the means to change out vehicles frequently.

So the fanboys that I was referring to earlier, need to get over it and stop being such brand whores.

Actually, the point that I took away from your earlier posts, and probably what other people understood to be the gist of your argument is this:
You sold your Z and you also like displacement and torque. Then you purchased a GTI, which is a FWD car. There is a fundamental conflict between your interest in torque and your choice of vehicle, not because of the vehicle itself, but because of its transmission layout. That's where the fail lies. I'm just pointing it out; not trying to invoke any negative sentiments about your new car.

Also, I think you're incorrect in assuming that we are a bunch of brand fanboys. No one is bashing the GTI as a car. It's an awesome looking car. I've never personally driven one, but I know its abilities have been lauded by the platitudes of many a car magazine editor.

Zsteve · 05-09-2010, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by waaaasabi

Actually, the point that I took away from your earlier posts, and probably what other people understood to be the gist of your argument is this:
You sold your Z and you also like displacement and torque. Then you purchased a GTI, which is a FWD car. There is a fundamental conflict between your interest in torque and your choice of vehicle, not because of the vehicle itself, but because of its transmission layout. That's where the fail lies. I'm just pointing it out; not trying to invoke any negative sentiments about your new car.

Also, I think you're incorrect in assuming that we are a bunch of brand fanboys. No one is bashing the GTI as a car. It's an awesome looking car. I've never personally driven one, but I know its abilities have been lauded by the platitudes of many a car magazine editor.

There is nothing wrong with tq and FWD, its really no difference than in a RWD. Enough tq makes both spin tires. A LSD will do wonders for both, the FWD will have less drivetrain loss than the RWD and after having basically the same engine in a 4 cyl car as the GTI I can say that I had 250+ hp and 300+ tq and the car was very quick. I did 5.5 sec 0 60s all day long. And when the turbo kicked in at 2500 rpms the tq was awesome to feel. It just lost its power in the upper rpms. And thats why I went to the Z for now. But I did love the MPG I got from my last car. Plus the car handled snow pretty good too.

Modshack · 05-09-2010, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kailua

Yes, I agree with you, however, I think the context of what I was trying to say has been lost.

So the fanboys that I was referring to earlier, need to get over it and stop being such brand whores.

Yeah...I agree completely. Honestly I'm intrigued by the new Mustang. With 8 Porsches in my past and a LS3 Corvette before the Z, I'm one of those guys that just may add one to my bucket list before I can't drive anymore....

And, yeah....I have a GTI too. A really cool driver BTW despite the fanboy sneers. a 2003 20th aniversary with 12K on her.....I just like cars, PERIOD...

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kevin.z Enthusiast Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: vancouver(shipping:WA Posts: 359 Drives: 09 370z M6 PGtouring Rep Power: 16	ahh... you are complaining about not having a v8 and you now have wimpy fwd GTI. I am sorry man, you fail.